RSS iconTwitter iconFacebook icon

The Trek BBS title image

The Trek BBS statistics

Threads: 140,247
Posts: 5,438,927
Members: 24,958
Currently online: 387
Newest member: greatmovies

TrekToday headlines

Cumberbatch In Wax
By: T'Bonz on Oct 24

Trek Screenwriter Washington D.C. Appearance
By: T'Bonz on Oct 23

Two Official Starships Collection Ships
By: T'Bonz on Oct 22

Pine In New Skit
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

Stewart In Holiday Film
By: T'Bonz on Oct 21

The Red Shirt Diaries #8
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

IDW Publishing January Comics
By: T'Bonz on Oct 20

Retro Review: Chrysalis
By: Michelle on Oct 18

The Next Generation Season Seven Blu-ray Details
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17

CBS Launches Streaming Service
By: T'Bonz on Oct 17


Welcome! The Trek BBS is the number one place to chat about Star Trek with like-minded fans. Please login to see our full range of forums as well as the ability to send and receive private messages, track your favourite topics and of course join in the discussions.

If you are a new visitor, join us for free. If you are an existing member please login below. Note: for members who joined under our old messageboard system, please login with your display name not your login name.


Go Back   The Trek BBS > Entertainment & Interests > Science Fiction & Fantasy

Science Fiction & Fantasy Farscape, Babylon 5, Star Wars, Firefly, vampires, genre books and film.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old July 14 2013, 03:25 AM   #331
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Apparently Holt is the second/modern Mr. Terrific. Not exactly a big name, but he appeared in the last season of Justice League Unlimited.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 03:51 AM   #332
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gotham
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Micheal Holt/Mr. Terrific was chairman of the Justice Society of America I believe during Geoff Johns' run. His intellect is genius level...has Olympic athletic level abilities. He also has the ability to not be detected by modern technology. This of course was all pre New 52.


Finished watching the episode and I absolutely loved it. The animation is indeed going to be something to get used to, but the voice acting and story telling was great. The take on Alfred reminded me of Geoff Johns Earth One Alfred. It was nice seeing Pyg and Toad. Agreed on seeing Bruce dealing with injuries. Katana was also nice to see...and Michael Holt as well. I will be watching this.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.

Last edited by Admiral_Young; July 14 2013 at 05:48 AM.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 04:59 PM   #333
Mr Light
Admiral
 
Location: Pennsylvania
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Pilot was okay, but I'm not a fan of the CGI animation (same as with the Green Lantern series). I'd much rather have 2D animation.
__________________

Mr Light is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 05:33 PM   #334
Kai "the spy"
Commodore
 
Kai "the spy"'s Avatar
 
Location: Here.
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Better than I expected/feared. I could actually come to enjoy this show. The new 'Earth One'-inspired Alfred sucks, though.
__________________
Chicks dig red trunks!

"Fanwankery is what 21st century pop entertainment's all about."
cooleddie74

Kai "the spy" is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 08:41 PM   #335
sidious618
Admiral
 
sidious618's Avatar
 
Location: New York, US
Send a message via AIM to sidious618
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Watched it today and I loved it. Can't wait for more.
__________________
We've met before, haven't we?
sidious618 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 10:07 PM   #336
RJDementia13
Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion
 
RJDementia13's Avatar
 
Location: RJDiogenes of Boston
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

If they didn't have a problem replacing Robin with Katana, I wonder why they didn't also replace Alfred with a character more in line with what they needed.
__________________
Please stop by my Gallery and YouTube Page for a visit. And read Trunkards! And check out my Heroes essays.
RJDementia13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 10:25 PM   #337
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

RJDiogenes wrote: View Post
If they didn't have a problem replacing Robin with Katana, I wonder why they didn't also replace Alfred with a character more in line with what they needed.
Because they didn't have to. Alfred Pennyworth's military/intelligence background has been an established part of his character in the comics for decades, a source of his skills in disguise, deception, and field medicine which have often been useful to Batman. Many stories in the comics have portrayed Alfred as a skilled fighter who was past his prime but still able to put up a good fight when he needed to. Some other screen incarnations of Alfred have had an intelligence or military background themselves. Batman: TAS explored Alfred's history with British intelligence in its final episode, "The Lion and the Unicorn." Michael Caine's Alfred in the movies was explicitly a military veteran.

True, this version is playing up that side of his character more, but that's just a shift in emphasis, no more revisionist than earlier screen versions that ignored that aspect of the character. And since earlier screen Alfreds haven't developed that side of his character much, I'd say we're overdue for one that does.

Besides, what really defines Alfred isn't his job, it's his relationship with Bruce. "What they needed" for this character was a surrogate father figure and aspiring guardian for Bruce and a skilled assistant for Batman, someone who worries about his safety and is able to confront and challenge him about the risks he takes. There is no possible way that Alfred Pennyworth is not the right character for that.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 10:27 PM   #338
Pavonis
Commodore
 
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

What do they need from Alfred, though? Someone who has intelligence and insight of their own, who can give advice and provide support to the hero and his mission. How is the new Alfred failing to do that? The main difference is that he's more explicitly a retired intelligence operative.
Pavonis is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 14 2013, 10:34 PM   #339
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gotham
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

I don't think it's a "replace Robin" mentality. It's more a showing more characters we've never really seen before. As mentioned before Katana has history with Bruce, as part of the Outsiders, a team he personally handpicked and led. "The Batman" first paired Bruce with Babs and then eventually introduced Robin. It could be the case with "Beware The Batman" as well. It's just too early to tell since it just started.

The design of Alfred seems to have changed as well since the promo pic was released. He for some reason reminds me of Bob Hoskins. This is clearly based on Geoff Johns version from Earth One. He still functions the same...he just has more to bring to the overall picture.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 12:57 AM   #340
sojourner
Admiral
 
sojourner's Avatar
 
Location: I'm at WKRP
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Bob Hoskins???
__________________
Baby, you and me were never meant to be, just maybe think of me once in a while...
sojourner is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 01:04 AM   #341
Admiral_Young
Fleet Admiral
 
Admiral_Young's Avatar
 
Location: Gotham
View Admiral_Young's Twitter Profile
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Mostly the voice...not so much the look of the character. *Shrugs*.
__________________
Admiral Young
Chief of Operations

Ignoring the The Last Stand since 2011.
Admiral_Young is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 09:32 AM   #342
RJDementia13
Idealistic Cynic and Canon Champion
 
RJDementia13's Avatar
 
Location: RJDiogenes of Boston
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Eh, Alfred was a butler. A gentleman's gentleman. I don't see why they can't just let characters be themselves without turning them into action heroes. It's like having Willy Lumpkin played by Hulk Hogan or Aunt May played by Sybil Danning.
__________________
Please stop by my Gallery and YouTube Page for a visit. And read Trunkards! And check out my Heroes essays.
RJDementia13 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 03:42 PM   #343
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

RJDiogenes wrote: View Post
Eh, Alfred was a butler. A gentleman's gentleman. I don't see why they can't just let characters be themselves without turning them into action heroes.
You're not listening. In the comics, Alfred Pennyworth was and is a former British intelligence agent and combat medic who later became an actor and then eventually became the Waynes' butler. This is canon. He's not just a butler, but has many hidden skills that are of invaluable aid to a crimefighter. This has been an established part of the character's history in the comics for at least three decades (as far as I can track down). What we're seeing in this show is arguably less revisionist than what we've seen in earlier shows and films that ignored Alfred's intelligence background.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 04:33 PM   #344
Hartzilla2007
Vice Admiral
 
Hartzilla2007's Avatar
 
Location: Star Trekkin Across the universe.
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

RJDiogenes wrote: View Post
Eh, Alfred was a butler. A gentleman's gentleman. I don't see why they can't just let characters be themselves without turning them into action heroes. It's like having Willy Lumpkin played by Hulk Hogan or Aunt May played by Sybil Danning.
I guess you haven't seen the Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon.
Hartzilla2007 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old July 15 2013, 05:03 PM   #345
Christopher
Writer
 
Christopher's Avatar
 
Re: "Beware the Batman" in 2013! New Animated Series

Really, it's pretty silly to insist that decades-old comic-book characters can only be portrayed one way when they've actually been portrayed many different ways over the decades. The original Alfred in the comics was a fat, buffoonish amateur detective with a working-class accent, and only came to work for Batman and Robin well after they were established as crimefighters, though his father Jarvis (yes, Jarvis) had been Thomas Wayne's butler. When Alfred appeared in the 1943 film serial, he was played by a thin, moustachioed man, and so Alfred's comics appearance was changed to match, with the explanation that he'd slimmed down at a health spa. For a time, he was occasionally known as Alfred Beagle; the name Pennyworth wasn't coined until 1969 (which is why Alan Napier's Alfred in the '60s TV series never had a last name). By that point he'd gone from lower-class to upper-class in his diction and behavior, becoming a more stereotypical English butler. Napier may have had an influence on that. Post-Crisis, he was retconned into having been Bruce's butler since childhood and his surrogate father after the Waynes died -- implicitly making him rather older than he'd been before.

Heck, in the '60s there was even a period where Alfred was apparently dead for several years, then turned out to have survived and become a deranged supervillain called the Outsider. This is a character who's been through a lot of changes.
__________________
Christopher L. Bennett Homepage -- Site update 4/8/14 including annotations for Rise of the Federation: Tower of Babel

Written Worlds -- My blog
Christopher is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Tags
batman

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump



All times are GMT +1. The time now is 09:14 AM.

Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.6
Copyright ©2000 - 2014, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
FireFox 2+ or Internet Explorer 7+ highly recommended.