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Old July 14 2013, 11:32 PM   #16
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Sisko "just" an engineer?
Well, Sisko transferred to command early in his career after the then-Captain Leyton promoted him to lieutenant commander and named him first officer of the Okinawa. We know of his engineering background because he played such an important role in the design and construction of the Defiant, but it's not clear if he did anything else in addition to that.

But I agree that it probably doesn't do a character justice to downplay his background. The Romulans wouldn't send a nobody to deal with the Federation anymore than the Federation would do the reverse.

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Old July 14 2013, 11:34 PM   #17
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Well, Sisko transferred to command early in his career after the then-Captain Leyton promoted him to lieutenant commander and named him first officer of the Okinawa. We know of his engineering background because he played such an important role in the design and construction of the Defiant, but it's not clear if he did anything else in addition to that.

But I agree that it probably doesn't do a character justice to downplay his background. The Romulans wouldn't send a nobody to deal with the Federation anymore than the Federation would do the reverse.

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Leyton said something to the effect of "being more interested in ship design and engineering than command" of Sisko when trying to appeal to their past to talk Sisko into joining his coup. But yeah, Sisko saying he was one of the designers of the Defiant hints heavily at it too. Always figured Sisko was an engineering officer on the Okinawa before his promotion to Xo.
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Old July 14 2013, 11:40 PM   #18
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Leyton said something to the effect of "being more interested in ship design and engineering than command" of Sisko when trying to appeal to their past to talk Sisko into joining his coup. But yeah, Sisko saying he was one of the designers of the Defiant hints heavily at it too. Always figured Sisko was an engineering officer on the Okinawa before his promotion to Xo.
I think so, too. For all we know, he may even have been chief engineer before Leyton decided his future was in a red uniform rather than gold. Also, recall Sisko's words to Eddington after his promotion: "You could always transfer from Security to Command." It's sort of a retcon, but the way Brooks says the line suggests Sisko knows something about changing career paths as goals change.

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Old July 14 2013, 11:43 PM   #19
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Everyone starts somewhere, and of course they can grow in their career. I just didn't see any indication that T'Rul, sent to babysit equipment for the enemy, would return to coordinate military activity at an international level. Besides, just because she's in possession of a relatively high rank doesn't mean that she came by it the way a Starfleet officer would. The Romulans may have a very different military culture than Starfleet. Consider that Sela was very high positioned at the tender age of 23. Did she earn it by climbing the ranks, or was it achieved by political and family connections? How much merit does it take to climb the Romulan military hierarchy compared to simply knowing the right people?
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Old July 14 2013, 11:45 PM   #20
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Leyton said something to the effect of "being more interested in ship design and engineering than command" of Sisko when trying to appeal to their past to talk Sisko into joining his coup. But yeah, Sisko saying he was one of the designers of the Defiant hints heavily at it too. Always figured Sisko was an engineering officer on the Okinawa before his promotion to Xo.
I think so, too. For all we know, he may even have been chief engineer before Leyton decided his future was in a red uniform rather than gold. Also, recall Sisko's words to Eddington after his promotion: "You could always transfer from Security to Command." It's sort of a retcon, but the way Brooks says the line suggests Sisko knows something about changing career paths as goals change.

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And would also even make further sense about Sisko's line of "I even recommended him for promotion!" Poor Eddington, probably like Benedict Arnold in that he was already committed to his treason after he got word of getting the promotion that caused him to act that way. Sisko did know about his dreams of wanting to sit in the big chair after all.
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Old July 14 2013, 11:54 PM   #21
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Everyone starts somewhere, and of course they can grow in their career. I just didn't see any indication that T'Rul, sent to babysit equipment for the enemy, would return to coordinate military activity at an international level. Besides, just because she's in possession of a relatively high rank doesn't mean that she came by it the way a Starfleet officer would. The Romulans may have a very different military culture than Starfleet. Consider that Sela was very high positioned at the tender age of 23. Did she earn it by climbing the ranks, or was it achieved by political and family connections? How much merit does it take to climb the Romulan military hierarchy compared to simply knowing the right people?
Good questions. I don't know enough of Romulan culture to give you an answer. People I've talked with more familiar with their military would argue that Sela's ascension to commander wasn't realistic. We're later shown officers like N'Vek and Donatra who reach sub-commander and commander at later ages than she did. N'Vek's exact age isn't known, but Donatra was in her early fifties by the time she commanded the Valdore.

The Romulan Commander from "Balance of Terror" seemed to be fairly old, having commanded "a hundred campaigns" by the time he faced-off against Kirk and the Enterprise.

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And would also even make further sense about Sisko's line of "I even recommended him for promotion!" Poor Eddington, probably like Benedict Arnold in that he was already committed to his treason after he got word of getting the promotion that caused him to act that way. Sisko did know about his dreams of wanting to sit in the big chair after all.
The irony is that he finally got to sit in the captain's chair as a leader in the Maquis, only to see his people slaughtered by the Dominion, something Sisko didn't hesitate to throw in his face during an argument: "Michael Eddington gets to take off his gold uniform and play hero. Well, you had your chance. And look where you led them, right into their graves!"

I'm not sure if the writing was meant to tie in with their prior conversations, but it fits perfectly. If the writers took the time match up the dialogue, kudos to them for exemplary attention to detail!

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