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Old July 13 2013, 07:52 AM   #31
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Thanks guys for the amazing info - great thread. Almost ten years of posting here and I'm still learning new stuff about TOS.

Okay, so let's assume Roddenberry was avoiding giving the bad news to Goodwin by lying to her about her ongoing involvement with Star Trek (plausible). So what was the documented reason she was fired? NBC? I'm sure there was a memo on this, but my books are in boxes at the moment.
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Old July 13 2013, 08:36 AM   #32
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Inside Star Trek: The Real Story just says that NBC wasn't crazy about any of the actors in the first pilot except for Hunter and Nimoy. There's no mention of Goodwin and Nimoy being the actors the network okayed to advance to the second pilot. On the contrary, Solow recalls a meeting with Mort Werner where the NBC Programming VP said, "We also think you can do better with the ship's doctor, the yeoman, and other members of the crew" (P.60).

I'm also skeptical of the claim (from the Goodwin interview in Drive-In Dream Girls) that "after the pilot was complete, it was shown to all three networks, who passed on it. NBC, though, thought it had potential..." (P.41). There's no mention at all in the Solow/Justman book about showing the program to ABC or CBS; this wouldn't really make sense, since NBC financed much of it, and CBS had already passed on the series during a pitch meeting.
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Old July 13 2013, 01:28 PM   #33
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Cheers Harvey.

Blog looks great - bookmarked for future reference. Have always been fascinated by the behind the scenes stuff from TOS - glad to see there are others
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Old July 13 2013, 01:36 PM   #34
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Thanks for the link to the book. I enjoyed reading Goodwin's remarks about Majel Barrett. Roddenberry has been trying to play off the fact that the network objected to a woman second in command, when in reality the network objected to the actress in the role.
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Old July 13 2013, 02:56 PM   #35
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Okay, so let's assume Roddenberry was avoiding giving the bad news to Goodwin by lying to her about her ongoing involvement with Star Trek (plausible). So what was the documented reason she was fired?
"Fired" is too strong a word. After all, she was a pilot cast member. A pilot contract is for a one-time gig with an option to be hired for a series commitment if the pilot succeeds. They didn't fire her, they just chose not to pick up her option. And remember, they didn't keep any of the pilot cast except Nimoy, and they wanted to drop him too. (In fact, didn't they have to renegotiate for Nimoy since his contract didn't include an option for a second pilot?)
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Old July 13 2013, 06:24 PM   #36
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Thanks for the link to the book. I enjoyed reading Goodwin's remarks about Majel Barrett. Roddenberry has been trying to play off the fact that the network objected to a woman second in command, when in reality the network objected to the actress in the role.
I found it interesting that apparently everyone knew about the relationship with Roddenberry. He wasn't exactly discreet, was he, LOL.

I like MB as Number One, but Goodwin's interview does support the idea that going forward with her as one of the leads really would not have been a good idea.
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Old July 13 2013, 06:33 PM   #37
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(In fact, didn't they have to renegotiate for Nimoy since his contract didn't include an option for a second pilot?)
They did. As I indicated up the thread, Nimoy signed his second Star Trek contract on June 2, 1965. His first contract had been signed some time late in 1964.
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Old July 14 2013, 02:03 AM   #38
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When Gene Roddenberry was asked about this non-part, he allegedly said : "I only hired her because I wanted to score with her."

He must have wanted that score pretty bad to promise her third lead
That bit of apocrypha is from Inside Star Trek, and it's just one of the many anecdotes related, but which are hard to prove.

As to the contracts and actors who were not brought back, it's inaccurate to say that any of the actors were "fired". Second pilots are rare, and contracts (at least in the past) would not have included them (and there are practical reasons an actor would not wish to be tied to such a requirement). When the first pilot didn't sell, all the contracts were effectively terminated, which is why they could not compel Hunter to return and had to sign a new contract with Nimoy. The studio had no option on the actors and likely would have had to negotiate new contracts had they wanted any of them to continue. Since NBC didn't like most of the cast, this wasn't going to happen.
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Old July 14 2013, 03:26 AM   #39
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Very rare to hear anyone speak ill of Majel Barrett. Despite any issues with her relationship with Roddenberry, by most accounts she was an extremely nice person.
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Old July 14 2013, 03:32 AM   #40
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^^^I don't take it as being out and out "ill" -- it comes across more as "gossipy" to me. YMMV

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Old July 14 2013, 03:33 AM   #41
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Very rare to hear anyone speak ill of Majel Barrett. Despite any issues with her relationship with Roddenberry, by most accounts she was an extremely nice person.
That doesn't mean she had the charisma and talent to carry a TV series, which is what lead actors have to do.
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Old July 14 2013, 03:34 AM   #42
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^^^I don't take it as being out and out "ill" -- it comes across more as "gossipy" to me. YMMV

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Old July 16 2013, 03:10 AM   #43
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Since we are on the subject of the "The Cage cast" I was reading actor Malachi Throne's biography at the imdb website today and found this (here is the link):

He had memorable appearances as "Falseface" on the Batman TV series and provided the voice of "The Keeper" for "The Cage", the pilot episode of the "Star Trek" (1966) series. He turned down an offer to be a regular cast member on that show, rejecting the part of Dr. McCoy as he did not want to play third fiddle to William Shatner and Leonard Nimoy. Producer Gene Roddenberry, who had offered him the role of "Bones" McCoy, was not offended by Throne turning him down, and cast him as "Commodore Mendez" in the two-part episode "The Menagerie", which included most of the original pilot, although by then The Keeper's voice had been re-dubbed by another actor. He also later played "Senator Pardac" in the "Star Trek: The Next Generation" two-part episode "Unification," appearing with Leonard Nimoy, whose Mr. Spock was the role he had coveted a generation before.
I never knew GR offered the role of Dr. McCoy to Throne or that Throne had coveted the Mr. Spock role in TOS. Does anyone know the source for this?


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Old July 16 2013, 03:40 AM   #44
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I never knew GR offered the role of Dr. McCoy to Throne or that Throne had coveted the Mr. Spock role in TOS. Does anyone know the source for this?

It's in Throne's STARLOG interview (Issue 190, May 1993).
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Old July 16 2013, 03:48 AM   #45
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I never knew GR offered the role of Dr. McCoy to Throne or that Throne had coveted the Mr. Spock role in TOS. Does anyone know the source for this?

It's in Throne's STARLOG interview (Issue 190, May 1993).
Thanks ZapBrannigan. Are there any other sources that can corroborate this, besides Malachi Throne? Herb Solow, Bob Justman, Gene Roddenberry, Leonard Nimoy, etc?


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