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View Poll Results: How do you rate Pacific Rim?
A+ 31 24.80%
A 35 28.00%
A- 15 12.00%
B+ 25 20.00%
B 7 5.60%
B- 2 1.60%
C+ 2 1.60%
C 1 0.80%
C- 1 0.80%
D+ 1 0.80%
D 1 0.80%
D- 3 2.40%
F+ 0 0%
F 1 0.80%
F- 0 0%
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Old July 13 2013, 03:41 AM   #31
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I consider Gojira not a Kaiju move because of it's strong anti-nuclear weapons message and in the same category as Silent Running and 2001.
Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense. A number of Godzilla movies have anti-nuclear or environmental messages. GMK in particular is a powerful anti-war statement. True, none of the later movies are quite as potent or harrowing as the original, but many try to be somewhat in the same vein.
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Old July 13 2013, 03:47 AM   #32
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Utterly fantastic movie. Despite the genre it's in, this movie still made Tranformers look like a kiddie flick. There are a bunch of characters that you care about, and even the scientific mumbo jumbo plays out as believable within that world. But let's get to it, if I didn't know before, this movie confirms I'm a techno-freak...the sheer size, movement, sophistication of the machinery in this film is mind-blowing. From articulated pilot waldoes, to holographic cockpits, to pistons, ports, and bolts moving in every direction this movie was a delight to behold. It's all those animated giant robot movies fused into one. I kept expecting cringe-worthy moments: bad acting, bad dialogue, stupid leaps in logic, there just were none. It's the best acted and finely crafted monster movie ever, and gives many a pretentious, non-monster/giant robot scifi movie a run for their money. Without a doubt, an A+. Aside from 4 Star Trek movies, this will be the first time I see a movie in the theater twice. I'll be going again Sunday.

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Old July 13 2013, 05:03 AM   #33
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Well, that doesn't make a lot of sense. A number of Godzilla movies have anti-nuclear or environmental messages. GMK in particular is a powerful anti-war statement. True, none of the later movies are quite as potent or harrowing as the original, but many try to be somewhat in the same vein.
But that's the point. Gojira was intensely focused and serious at the time. Gojira is close to Pan's Labyrinth than to Pacific Rim
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Old July 13 2013, 05:07 AM   #34
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I kept expecting cringe-worthy moments: bad acting, bad dialogue, stupid leaps in logic, there just were none.

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Old July 13 2013, 06:26 AM   #35
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Stop reading this and go see Pacific Rim. It is, for lack of a better word, awesome! It's just awesome from start to finish. I don't need to say anything more. I dug every second of this movie and everybody needs to see this thing. Seriously. Go see it.
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Old July 13 2013, 09:51 AM   #36
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Huge fun!! Possibly my favourite movie this year (so far!).
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Old July 13 2013, 09:55 AM   #37
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I think I'd have to give it a B+ myself.

Yes the battles and effects were truly spectacular, the score was fantastic (can't wait to download it), and I loved the world-building and all the little design details that went into the movie.... but there were still some things that kept me from fully loving it.

I just didn't find the characters all that compelling, and the dialogue was a little too corny and simplistic for my taste. Yeah I get that it's the anime style, and they did a great job emulating it, but it still just didn't really grab me. And after awhile the sameness of the battles and the Kaiju started to sap my enthusiasm as well. Every fight seemed to take place in the rain or in the water, and the Kaiju all just looked like slight variations of the same design. I was really hoping we'd get a LOT more variety than that.


Oh, and this probably isn't a good sign, but my XD theater was less than half-full. Which I usually don't see with movies showing on that screen on opening day...
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Old July 13 2013, 03:44 PM   #38
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But that's the point. Gojira was intensely focused and serious at the time. Gojira is close to Pan's Labyrinth than to Pacific Rim
Which has nothing to do with whether or not it's a kaiju film. Kaiju is simply the Japanese word for "strange creature," i.e. "monster." Godzilla is a Japanese movie about a monster, therefore it's a kaiju movie. It's just a more serious kaiju movie than most of its successors.
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Old July 13 2013, 04:27 PM   #39
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Which has nothing to do with whether or not it's a kaiju film.
I think you are being too literal. Gojira transcends other Kaiju film because it uses the giant monster as allegory while other films it's just mindless entertainment.
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Old July 13 2013, 04:40 PM   #40
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^But that's where you're wrong. There are other kaiju films where Godzilla is an allegory, or where the creatures he's fighting are allegories. Mothra is a critique of corporate greed and the cultural/economic imperialism of the West. Godzilla vs. Biollante is a cautionary tale about biotechnology and genetic engineering, while several other kaiju films have environmentalist themes (Godzilla and Mothra: The Battle for Earth is particularly heavy-handed about it, while Godzilla vs. Mechagodzilla II manages a more nuanced discussion of technology vs. nature). GMK is a condemnation of the Japanese's people's complacency and willful denial about their forebears' crimes in WWII.

Certainly the 1954 original is the most potent and sophisticated allegory, but it's completely false to say it's the only allegory in the series. Heck, even Godzilla vs. Hedorah, in the heart of the cheesiest, goofiest era of the series, is noted for being an anti-pollution allegory.
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Old July 13 2013, 05:45 PM   #41
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OMG I have an unreasonable amount of love for this movie!

It was just such fun. I can't remember the last time I had a goofy grin on my face for the entire running time of a movie!

Sure, the writing and characterization were "lacking", but the movie was done in the style of all the Godzilla and Harryhausen movies that I loved as a kid. And you can see the love del Toro has for those movies in every frame of this one.

It was awesome watching a little boy walking out with his dad after the movie He was waving his arms around, acting out a specific scene (already described in spoiler tags in this thread), and hopping up and down in his excitement. His Dad was watching him with a happy grin, nodding vigorously.

So. Much. Fun.
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Old July 13 2013, 06:08 PM   #42
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Sigh. Looks like Grown Ups 2 is going to win the weekend after all. PR will be lucky to get $40 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3701&p=.htm
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Old July 13 2013, 07:14 PM   #44
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Sigh. Looks like Grown Ups 2 is going to win the weekend after all. PR will be lucky to get $40 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=3701&p=.htm

What a shame, no one is going to see it, and it's the best summer movie in years.

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Old July 13 2013, 07:43 PM   #45
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Hopefully word of mouth will kick in and give it new life.
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