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Old July 12 2013, 09:26 PM   #31
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Re: First details of nuKhan prequel comic

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I still note no one actually uses Khan's full name except for Spock Prime which felt like a backdoor out for the writers incase they changed their mind about his identity.
They didn't use his full name in TWOK either and it was still Khan. I mean really how many times does ones full name come up in conversation anyway.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:57 PM   #32
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I still note no one actually uses Khan's full name except for Spock Prime which felt like a backdoor out for the writers incase they changed their mind about his identity.
They didn't use his full name in TWOK either and it was still Khan. I mean really how many times does ones full name come up in conversation anyway.
When one is specifically asked who they are as they were in the film? If someone asked who you were you wouldn't just shout your first name and leave it at that. "WHO ARE YOU?" "JOE!"

And the TWOK example isn't the same situation. My comment wasn't meant to imply it wasn't Khan, but rather a weird evasion of the longer name, which might be grounds to be played with in a tie-in comic. The Spock scene almost seems like "Huh, we never did get the whole name in there."
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Old July 12 2013, 10:06 PM   #33
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^The point is, canonically it's supposed to be the same continuity prior to 2233. However, different tie-ins, since they are not canonical, have frequently presented contradictory interpretations of events that supposedly took place in the same original timeline. That's all they are -- interpretations. The comic and the novel don't represent different 20th-century histories, they represent different authors' speculations about what Trek's 20th century may have been like.
Or the JJverse is just an another mirror universe.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:48 PM   #34
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^ In an infinite multiverse, anything's possible.

I don't begrudge these comic writers their right to interpret the Eugenics Wars as they see fit. Some fans won't like it, I know. They'll accuse the writers of...

wait for it...

putting the "ew" in "Eugenics Wars".
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Old July 12 2013, 10:50 PM   #35
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What an utterly generic cover. Minus out the branding and you could slap just about any title on that book. Jack Ryan, Bourne? Etc, etc.
Maybe that's the point of that style of cover -- to suggest a particular genre. Maybe it shows that they're taking a spy-thriller route with the story. In which case it's informative.


Maybe they'll shock us with a surprise revelation, though. I still note no one actually uses Khan's full name except for Spock Prime which felt like a backdoor out for the writers incase they changed their mind about his identity.
No, it felt like the writers referring to him the way he's almost always been referred to. In "Space Seed," he avoided using his full name because he wanted to conceal his identity, but that's been overlooked in later works; fandom knows him as Khan, so the movies call him Khan. There's no deeper meaning to it than just giving the audience what they expect to hear.
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Old July 12 2013, 11:24 PM   #36
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Maybe it shows that they're taking a spy-thriller route with the story.
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Old July 12 2013, 11:50 PM   #37
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which felt like a backdoor out for the writers incase they changed their mind about his identity.
And what's so wrong with that?

Had they not done so, we'd have just as many complaints that the writers could have left themselves a "backdoor out". If only they'd done that, everyone would have been happy.

Was there really a need to read all four issues of "Nero" before the 2009 movie came out? Of course not. Remember that less than 1% of the audience will buy the tie-in comics anyway. Coming out after the film, the IDW writers were able to adapt the Klingons' footage that had been tossed into the bonus scenes of the DVD, and highlight aliens we'd barely glimpsed in the movie. Lots of stuff that would bog us down with details before seeing the movie.

Can you imagine film goers saying, "You mean I was supposed to read a comic - over the last four months - before seeing this movie? Is it for sale in the foyer? Do I have time before the film starts?"

Along the same line, was there really a need to read all six issues of "Khan" before STiD came out? Of course not. We, some of the 1%, probably already know Greg Cox's version of events, and now there's a new interpretation. Supposedly only part of the upcoming IDW effort is set during the "Eugenics War(s)". There will also be scenes with Admiral Marcus. Again, material we'd didn't need to know to enjoy a two-hour movies. Which parts did you feel you needed to know before seeing the movie?

It is possible some fans will pick up the "Khan" mini-series and read it before watching STiD on free-to-air TV.
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Old July 13 2013, 12:56 AM   #38
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In a way, Khan was the back door. While Damon Lindelof wanted Khan to be the villain from the start, Roberto Orci didn't want to use him, and insisted that they develop the story with an original character as the villain, in order to ensure it could work as a standalone story rather than just continuity porn; and then, once they were confident in the story they had, they addressed whether it would still work if the villain were Khan, and they ultimately decided it would.

But the idea that they only used his first name because they thought they might reveal he was, say, Khan Jones instead of Khan Singh? That's just bizarre. The name "Khan" carries a clear and unambiguous meaning to Trek fans. They wouldn't call a character Khan unless it were meant to be that Khan. (Genghis Khan from "The Savage Curtain" and Zor Khan from "All Our Yesterdays" notwithstanding, since neither of them had any prospect of showing up in a 23rd-century story.)
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Old July 13 2013, 02:14 AM   #39
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What an utterly generic cover.
I know some diehard Benedict Cumberbatch fans who'll be buying issue #1 to frame it for their wall.
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which felt like a backdoor out for the writers incase they changed their mind about his identity.
And what's so wrong with that?

Had they not done so, we'd have just as many complaints that the writers could have left themselves a "backdoor out". If only that done that, everyone would have been happy.
Yeah, I don't think so.
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Old July 13 2013, 05:47 AM   #41
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Yeah, I don't think so.
"Everyone would have been happy."

Why do people think that'll ever happen?
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Old July 15 2013, 01:36 AM   #42
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Re: First details of nuKhan prequel comic

I know they intend for all pre Nero to be the same timeliness but I don't buy it. In nu trek its nu kirk etal who go back in time to 1930 thru the guardian ; 1986 to get the whales; 1967 to meet Gary Seven. Etc. Change it so the homeless man in 1930 NY doesn't phaser himself in nu trek and maybe he sobered up to influence the eugenics program so Khan is white and not Indian. I know tptb say this isn't true but I think it only makes sense....
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Old July 17 2013, 08:49 PM   #43
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Too bad Messina isn't drawing. I totally love his style.
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Old July 18 2013, 03:07 AM   #44
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In nu trek its nu kirk etal who go back in time to 1930 thru the guardian ; 1986 to get the whales; 1967 to meet Gary Seven. Etc.
No to all three.

From the point of view of those periods in time, "prime Trek" is still a possible future, therefore Kirk Prime could still arrive from it. Remember, the prime timeline has not been erased.

Indeed, it is possible for characters from EITHER timeline to travel back to those periods, or indeed any period before 2233 - since both timelines are possible, and coexist side by side. Kirk Prime and nuKirk could even meet!
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Old July 21 2013, 04:25 AM   #45
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It's disappointing that it appears they're just going to stick with the whitewashed Khan. Actually disappointing isn't really the right word. It's even kind of creepy in an aryan white supremacist sort of way.
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