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Babylon 5 47 69.12%
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Old July 12 2013, 04:48 PM   #16
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Re: POLL: Babylon 5 or Stargate SG-1?

Really? Noted.
So that's a prequel film made during, after the B5 series concluded I take it?
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Old July 12 2013, 04:56 PM   #17
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Re: POLL: Babylon 5 or Stargate SG-1?

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Really? Noted.
So that's a prequel film made during, after the B5 series concluded I take it?
Nah, The Gathering is the actual Pilot, and was aired a full year before Season 1.

There is an awesome Prequel, called In The Beginning. It was aired around the end of S4. I personally wouldn't advise viewing it prior to the end of S4, on your first run through the Series (Spoilers and exposes you to some of the most awesome the show becomes, too early, IMHO), but, on a second run through, it is great to watch it first, then The Pilot, Then S1-S5. Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.

B5 is my all time favorite show, but, I like SG-1 quite a bit too.
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Old July 12 2013, 04:59 PM   #18
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Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.
Yeah, it casually spoils tons of things the early seasons took their time carefully to reveal a bit at a time. It was made between Season 4 and 5, so that's when I'd watch In the Beginning. The Gathering, though, definitely needs to be watched first, even if some of it, in characters, the looks of characters, and even the tone, doesn't quite match the series that follows.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:08 PM   #19
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Really? Noted.
So that's a prequel film made during, after the B5 series concluded I take it?
Nah, The Gathering is the actual Pilot, and was aired a full year before Season 1.

There is an awesome Prequel, called In The Beginning. It was aired around the end of S4. I personally wouldn't advise viewing it prior to the end of S4, on your first run through the Series (Spoilers and exposes you to some of the most awesome the show becomes, too early, IMHO), but, on a second run through, it is great to watch it first, then The Pilot, Then S1-S5. Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.

B5 is my all time favorite show, but, I like SG-1 quite a bit too.
So The Gathering is hopefully included on the S1 set. I'll have to check, if not I'll have to locate a copy when the time comes.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:15 PM   #20
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The Gathering, though, definitely needs to be watched first, even if some of it, in characters, the looks of characters, and even the tone, doesn't quite match the series that follows.
Midnight on the Firing Line is definitely better but The Gathering has its moments. Sinclair recalling the Battle of The Line, Kosh mystery and the most dangerous man alive.. Del Varner .

Couldn't recommend Babylon 5 enough to those who haven't seen it. No recent sci-fi series has come close, though I do love Dollhouse. I dunno why anybody would see Stargate-SG1 as a close competitor in quality.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:20 PM   #21
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Really? Noted.
So that's a prequel film made during, after the B5 series concluded I take it?
Nah, The Gathering is the actual Pilot, and was aired a full year before Season 1.

There is an awesome Prequel, called In The Beginning. It was aired around the end of S4. I personally wouldn't advise viewing it prior to the end of S4, on your first run through the Series (Spoilers and exposes you to some of the most awesome the show becomes, too early, IMHO), but, on a second run through, it is great to watch it first, then The Pilot, Then S1-S5. Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.

B5 is my all time favorite show, but, I like SG-1 quite a bit too.
So The Gathering is hopefully included on the S1 set. I'll have to check, if not I'll have to locate a copy when the time comes.
Probably not included with the S1 Box Set (Mine isn't). It was available as a single Disk or as part of the Movies Collection (Movie Collection includes: The Gathering Pilot; In The Beginning Prequel shown after S4, Third Space (Side Story during S4, but, not tightly connected, so can be viewed any time after S4), River of Souls (Side Story in S5, but, not tightly connected so can be viewed any time after S5), A Call To Arms (Should be watched after S5, is a lead in to the Spinoff Crusade), Legend of The Rangers (A Pilot for a new Series which didn't make it to Series). Set generally runs $25-$30. The Gathering by itself, or the flipdisk with In The Beginning used to be quite cheap, but, I see it runs almost $30 on Amazon now too, though you can stream it for $1.99 on Amazon, if you don't have another way or don't get the Movie box Set.

Additionally, there is the 13 episode Spinoff Crusade, which was just getting really good when it was cancelled (The Unproduced Scripts are awesome). Though TNT really screwed the Pooch with this one, they sabotaged it, because they decided they didn't want it afterall, gave JMS horrible "Notes" and messing up the airing order and no matter what order you watch it in, it never flows quite right, though some orders get it almost in order

Also, there was a very low budget Disc Babylon 5: Ther Lost Tales
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Old July 12 2013, 06:01 PM   #22
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Jason of Star Command beats them both.
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Old July 12 2013, 06:15 PM   #23
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The two series are entirely different beasts. B5 took television into new, interesting and compelling areas. It started with a planned story and (mostly) stuck to it right to the planned ending. Stargate was more like a "we bought the rights-now what are we going to do with it?" series that turned out rather well overall. Stargate is more like Eureka-light and fluffy with bits of darkness mixed in. Its...fun. B5 is brooding, menacing and filled with foreshadowing. Nothing ever seems to come out neatly-and if you watch it as it aired, you find yourself going "Oh, God, what happens next?" The two shows are different experiences. Watch them both- they have different rewards, but both ARE rewarding in their own ways.
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Old July 12 2013, 06:41 PM   #24
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Anybody starting Babylon 5 must remember to watch the pilot movie The Gathering before starting Season 1.

Always preferred Jeffrey Sinclair to John Sheridan. Great character and a very troubled man. Wish I'd gotten to meet O'Hare at a convention to tell him how much I loved his performance. His narration of the opening titles was much better than Boxleitner's effort the following year.
I've watched all 5 seasons, and I still haven't seen The Gathering (or In the Beginning, or any of the movies). As for the Sheridan/Sinclair debate, I can't pick a side. I liked them both.

As for which show I voted for, I went with B5. Still, SG-1 is a great show with characters I really enjoyed, its just not quite as good as B5. That doesn't make it bad by any means, its a great show with memorable characters and story/
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Old July 12 2013, 06:55 PM   #25
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The movies are worth watching. The Gathering and In The Beginning are great. Thirdspace is fun Lovecraftian hokum, River of Souls is enjoyable enough and A Call to Arms is uh.... fucking terrible. Required watching though as it sets up Crusade.
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Old July 12 2013, 07:31 PM   #26
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I feel I must mention there was one other B5 spin-off which hasn't been mentoned yet and for good reason. Legend of the Rangers it's only saving grace was the scenes with G'Kar.
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Old July 12 2013, 07:55 PM   #27
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I feel I must mention there was one other B5 spin-off which hasn't been mentoned yet and for good reason. Legend of the Rangers it's only saving grace was the scenes with G'Kar.
oops, it was in my mind when I wrote my post, and I even remember thinking "Make sure to mention it was a failed Pilot", but, I guess my fingers just never got around to typing it out

I think A Call To Arms is great. River of Souls, IMHO, is the weakest of the Movie Set. Though for Straight guys, it does have the Captain Cupcake Lingerie Scene.

EDIT: Wait, I did mention it afterall, I take back the embarrassed face
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Old July 12 2013, 08:00 PM   #28
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When I first saw A Call To Arms, I declared it to be the worst thing JMS would likely ever would write. He seems to have spent his entire subsequent career trying to prove me wrong .

And now he's writing the script for the movie adaptation of one of my favourite comic book heroes. Not sure how to feel.
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Old July 13 2013, 03:23 AM   #29
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As most of my comments that follow are about Babylon 5, I'll admit, I voted B5 in the poll. Stargate SG-1 at least the first 7-8 seasons was great, but I was not a huge fan of the last two seasons. I think I'm one of the few male, heterosexual sci-fi fans who does not like Claudia Black and I felt her presence really ruined the last two seasons, though the scripts didn't help. The Goa'uld were great villains and the show did a nice job of mixing some threatening and some campy ones in there. The campy ones really made the show enjoyable, while the threatening ones made it consistently good. The humor in Stargate really elevated the show for me, but, overall, Babylon 5 wins for me. "Sleeping in Light" never fails to get me to tear up.

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Really? Noted.
So that's a prequel film made during, after the B5 series concluded I take it?
Nah, The Gathering is the actual Pilot, and was aired a full year before Season 1.

There is an awesome Prequel, called In The Beginning. It was aired around the end of S4. I personally wouldn't advise viewing it prior to the end of S4, on your first run through the Series (Spoilers and exposes you to some of the most awesome the show becomes, too early, IMHO), but, on a second run through, it is great to watch it first, then The Pilot, Then S1-S5. Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.

B5 is my all time favorite show, but, I like SG-1 quite a bit too.
It wouldn't be a new viewer thread for Babylon 5 if someone didn't mention "In the Beginning" and commenting that it shouldn't be watched first.

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Many think it's fine to watch it first, and even JMS says it's fine to view first, but, I advise against it.
Yeah, it casually spoils tons of things the early seasons took their time carefully to reveal a bit at a time. It was made between Season 4 and 5, so that's when I'd watch In the Beginning. The Gathering, though, definitely needs to be watched first, even if some of it, in characters, the looks of characters, and even the tone, doesn't quite match the series that follows.
Followed by people saying it's okay to watch first. Personally, I think that not having it spoil some major surprises out ranks any benefit it gives to new viewers.

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So The Gathering is hopefully included on the S1 set. I'll have to check, if not I'll have to locate a copy when the time comes.
Just to be clear, the season 1 DVD set does NOT include "The Gathering." Just like "In the Beginning," some will argue that it's not necessary. While that's true, given the year between airings of "The Gathering" and season 1, "Midnight on the Firing Line" was written to appeal to those missed it, as well as those who saw it.

You just have to realize that several changes were made, character, actor, and make-up wise between "The Gathering" and the first season. However, the plot points it brings up and the way it introduces Sinclair, Garibaldi, and the alien ambassadors makes it worth your time.

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The movies are worth watching. The Gathering and In The Beginning are great. Thirdspace is fun Lovecraftian hokum, River of Souls is enjoyable enough and A Call to Arms is uh.... fucking terrible. Required watching though as it sets up Crusade.
Wow, I loved "A Call to Arms" and rank it as my second favorite TNT movie, behind "In the Beginning." "Thirdspace" is barely worth my time, especially for the fact that they all agree never to talk about the events of the movie again and the show never picked up on anything in it. As someone who shipped Zack and Lyta, the elevator scene drove me nuts.

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I think A Call To Arms is great. River of Souls, IMHO, is the weakest of the Movie Set. Though for Straight guys, it does have the Captain Cupcake Lingerie Scene.
Yeah, I have to admit, I liked that scene. The rest of the movie was forgettable. It's a shame, because I loved the Zack and Garibaldi team on the show. Also, Martin Sheen, what a waste of an actor.

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When I first saw A Call To Arms, I declared it to be the worst thing JMS would likely ever would write. He seems to have spent his entire subsequent career trying to prove me wrong .

And now he's writing the script for the movie adaptation of one of my favourite comic book heroes. Not sure how to feel.
Well, I liked his first few story-lines of Amazing Spider-Man, but I bailed well before "Norman slept with Gwen," "The Other," and "One More Day." His work on Brave and the Bold elicited a "Meh," from me, and I avoided his Superman and Wonder Woman runs (though, from what I heard of them, it seems "The New 52" was a mercy killing for those titles. Not a good thing when your the last writer on a title and what follows you is a complete reboot of the characters.

However, he did write the Thor script and I really enjoyed that movie, so there's hope. Unless you hated Thor in which case, as a huge Green Lantern fan, believe me when I say, I feel your pain.
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Old July 13 2013, 12:14 PM   #30
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He didn't write the Thor script, he was just a consultant. I believe Ashley Edward Miller wrote it.

I love B5 dearly but JMS' runs on Superman and Wonder Woman were godawful. And while I enjoyed his Spidey run (well, the first 2/3 of it) the whole thing was a rehash of B5. Right down to stolen lines of dialogue.

And I thought "Call to Arms" was awesome!!!
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