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Old July 12 2013, 02:34 PM   #16
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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

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The "Hula burger"? It's a wonder McDonalds survived at all. Luckily Kroc had some better ideas than that one..
Seriously. Grilled pineapple with cheese on a cold bun. Yuck.

Here's an article about some other failed McDonald's menu items:

http://www.businessinsider.com/faile...ms-2011-8?op=1
No doubt there's probably even more failures than that list has.

McLobster
? That sounds like a case of food poisoning waiting to happen, though I'm surprised McDonalds can do fish without poisoning someone once in a while.
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Old July 12 2013, 03:00 PM   #17
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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

Curious that you think lobsters are inherently poisonous.
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Old July 12 2013, 03:14 PM   #18
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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

Maybe he was thinking of McPufferfish.

Mmmm, fugulicious.
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Old July 12 2013, 04:08 PM   #19
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Curious that you think lobsters are inherently poisonous.
I was referring more to a fast food restaurant's ability to store, handle & prepare seafood properly
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Old July 12 2013, 04:36 PM   #20
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I've never had the Filet-o-Fish. Never appealed to me.
As for some of the menu offerings that failed... I liked the McDLT and the Arch Deluxe. But pizza and spaghetti... that just... yuck.
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Old July 12 2013, 04:40 PM   #21
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I liked Crystal Pepsi.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:13 PM   #22
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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

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"I wanted halibut originally," Groen said. "I was paying $2 a pound for halibut. That sandwich cost me 30 cents apiece to make. They told me it had to sell for 25 cents. I had to fall back on Atlantic cod, a whitefish, and I added a slice of cheese. But my halibut sandwich far outshines that one."

Cheese with fish just for the Halibut?



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I never had a Filet-o-fish, so I can't judge it. But given it's McDonald's, I'm quite comfortable thinking it's crap.
Yes. Yes it is.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:25 PM   #23
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"I wanted halibut originally," Groen said. "I was paying $2 a pound for halibut. That sandwich cost me 30 cents apiece to make. They told me it had to sell for 25 cents. I had to fall back on Atlantic cod, a whitefish, and I added a slice of cheese. But my halibut sandwich far outshines that one."

Cheese with fish just for the Halibut?
Look, Mr. Laser Beam, I've told you before about those damn fish puns, and if you don't cut it out right now I'm going to...

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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

^ Ninja'd.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:33 PM   #25
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I liked Crystal Pepsi.
I tried it... wasn't crazy about it.
I also tried Coke Black...
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Old July 12 2013, 06:00 PM   #26
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Burger king did a Ocean catch, i wonder if this was similar.
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Old July 12 2013, 06:27 PM   #27
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It's about time Miscellaneous got to the bottom of the truly important issues.

Anyway, here's the story of the Filet-O-Fish and when the cheese was first added (almost immediately after its invention):

Filet-O-Fish tale
After 45 years, this fish sandwich still sticks

February 26, 2007|By The Cincinnati Enquirer

CINCINNATI — Forty-five years ago, Lou Groen's career began its turn from rags to fishes.

Groen, who began his working life as a homeless teenager in the 1930s, was casting about in 1962 for a way to save his foundering hamburger restaurant.

His efforts caught more than a nibble. He created a sandwich that would eventually be consumed at a rate of 300 million a year: the McDonald's Filet-O-Fish.

Groen's restaurant was the Cincinnati area's first McDonald's. His problem: The clientele was heavily Catholic. Back then, most Catholics abstained from meat every Friday, not just during Lent, a 40-day period of repentance that began last week with Ash Wednesday.

"Frisch's [Big Boy] dominated the market, and they had a very good fish sandwich," recalled Groen, now 89.

"I was struggling. The crew was my wife, myself, and a man named George. I did repairs, swept floors, you name it. But that area was 87 percent Catholic. On Fridays we only took in about $75 a day," said Groen, a Catholic himself.

"All our customers were going to Frisch's. So I invented my fish sandwich, developed a special batter, made the tartar sauce and took it to headquarters."

That led to a wager between Groen and McDonald's chief Ray Kroc, who was preparing his own meatless alternative.

"He called his sandwich the Hula Burger," Groen said. "It was a cold bun and a slice of pineapple and that was it.

"Ray said to me, 'Well, Lou, I'm going to put your fish sandwich on [a menu] for a Friday. But I'm going to put my special sandwich on too. Whichever sells the most, that's the one we'll go with.'

"Friday came and the word came out. I won hands down. I sold 350 fish sandwiches that day. Ray never did tell me how his sandwich did."

But the chain compelled Groen to modify the fish recipe.

"I wanted halibut originally," Groen said. "I was paying $2 a pound for halibut. That sandwich cost me 30 cents apiece to make. They told me it had to sell for 25 cents. I had to fall back on Atlantic cod, a whitefish, and I added a slice of cheese. But my halibut sandwich far outshines that one."

http://articles.chicagotribune.com/2...recipe-halibut
It's a big no no among a lot of Italian chefs, restaurants, and mothers to mix seafood with cheese (not that the Filet-O-Fish compares with those meals, but just saying):

http://www.thekitchn.com/the-fish-an...bate-the-76178

However, the oldest surviving Sicilian recipe is a fish and cheese meal, so there's that:

A little research, however, turned up the oldest surviving Sicilian recipe — from around 400 B.C. — for fish: “Gut. Discard the head, rinse, slice; add cheese and oil.”

And if you read the article, it seems as if some restaurants are breaking the no cheese on seafood tradition:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/30/ma...se&st=cse&_r=0
And in doing research for this very hard-hitting exposé, I think you're going to find that you're in the minority about the cheese on the Filet-O-Fish, because the vast majority of links on Google were articles and blog posts complaining about how McDonald's reduced the cheese to only half a slice.

So, there you have it. More than anyone ever needs to know about the history of the Filet-O-Fish and cheese on fish dishes.

interesting info. I've been scared to try the filet o fish precisely because of the weird "fried fish with slice of cheese" element. Plus, you know, who goes to a fast food restaurant to get fish? (other than Catholics during Lent, perhaps)

Yeah, I could order it without, bt then it wouldn't REALLY be trying the filet o fish. I mean, an egg mcmuffin without the slice of Canadian bacon isn't really an egg mcmuffin to me.
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Old July 12 2013, 06:35 PM   #28
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Re: Why does the Filet O Fish have cheese?

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Curious that you think lobsters are inherently poisonous.
I was referring more to a fast food restaurant's ability to store, handle & prepare seafood properly
You know there are fast food restaurants that only do seafood?
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Old July 12 2013, 06:56 PM   #29
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No worries! Months of lurking only to contribute to Cheese and puns. Perhaps I should be banned!
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Old July 12 2013, 08:41 PM   #30
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Filet O Fish has cheese because cheese is awesome. And it hides the taste of the fish.

Where I come from, a McD fish sandwich is just an appetizer. The main course would be a Big Mac, with large fries on the side. Beverage is a chocolate shake, and dessert is a hot apple pie. Or two.
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