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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 8 2013, 08:02 PM   #46
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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They thought they'd pass the baton over to Decker ?
That was the plan, yes. Shatner had an option of staying, leaving, or going to semi-regular guest star as the Admiral.
Damn. Now I really need to travel to an alternate timeline to see it happen.
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Old July 9 2013, 03:55 AM   #47
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Riker was always pretty much destined to remain the the trusty Number One right through TNG from conception to reception
Actually, if you go back to the earliest announcements, "Will Ryker" was to have been the lead character of the series, denying his captain the change to accompany away teams (led by feisty Security Chief Macha Hernandez, who was to look like Jenette Goldstein's character in "Aliens"). This was based partly on David Gerrold's suggestions in a chapter of "World of Star Trek", as to how to make TOS more believable it were ever to be remade.

It was only when they realised what a huge talent they'd uncovered with Patrick Stewart that the Riker role got pared back a little.

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While the format documents hint at Phase II being more of a ensemble than TOS, to be honest the format documents for TOS were almost the same.

My bet is that had it gone into production, it's possible Phase II would have literally been a slightly updated TOS - not yet confident enough to go all out and do something different like in TNG, it might have been mired even more in basically being seen as a belated TOS season four.
Although, after years of conventioneering beside Roddenberry, I think Takei, Doohan, Nichols and Koenig went into "ST Phase II" with an expectation that it would have a more ensemble feel.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:07 PM   #48
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They thought they'd pass the baton over to Decker ?
That was the plan, yes. Shatner had an option of staying, leaving, or going to semi-regular guest star as the Admiral.
Damn. Now I really need to travel to an alternate timeline to see it happen.
If I could visit timelines, it would be to pick up toys from other series and their DVDs--Phase II from one, Planet of the Titans...
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Old July 9 2013, 11:59 PM   #49
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

^I'd actually want to see how the events of "Yesterday's Enterprise" would have played out had the timeline not been erased by Enterprise-C. What roles would our other heroes (Sisko, Janeway, etc.) have in the dark future? What about Worf and Martok, who clearly would not come to know the Federation as friends or allies?

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Old July 10 2013, 10:34 AM   #50
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

So, Sran, you'd visit fictional timeline ? Or a timeline in which the show had remained in the alternate timeline ?
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Old July 10 2013, 07:44 PM   #51
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so I wonder who else thinks it would've been better if they had "survived" the movie and came back for the sequels.

What do you think ?
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Old July 10 2013, 09:09 PM   #52
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I'd like that, actually.
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So, Sran, you'd visit fictional timeline ? Or a timeline in which the show had remained in the alternate timeline ?
I'd be willing to visit it as a novel series, not as a TV series. I just don't think there's enough there for something sustained. Four or five books on the subject is enough.

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Old July 11 2013, 11:15 PM   #54
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I'd like that, actually.
Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Lt Decker and Ensign Ilia milling around somewhere.
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Old July 11 2013, 11:18 PM   #55
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Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing Lt Decker and Ensign Ilia milling around somewhere.
Ilia seemed fairly young, so it's possible she wouldn't have even been at the Academy by the time the Enterprise was launched under Pike in the nuTrek universe.

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Old July 12 2013, 10:19 AM   #56
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Re: Should Illia and Decker have survived ?

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That was the plan, yes. Shatner had an option of staying, leaving, or going to semi-regular guest star as the Admiral.
Damn. Now I really need to travel to an alternate timeline to see it happen.
If I could visit timelines, it would be to pick up toys from other series and their DVDs--Phase II from one, Planet of the Titans...
Good luck getting alternate-reality DVDs to play on our machines!

(can you tell I've already wondered about this?)
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Ilia seemed fairly young, so it's possible she wouldn't have even been at the Academy by the time the Enterprise was launched under Pike in the nuTrek universe.
Same could be said of most of the TOS crew, who are in the reboot movies many years before the start of TOS.
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I admit that I have never given a thought to what Star Trek would be like if Decker and Ilia continued. After reading the description of Phase II, I wonder how quickly Ilia's sexuality would have made the character one dimensional: her interactions with humans revolving around the suppression of drives and impulses. Troi, Ilia's successor, couldn't continue as a pleasure centered character, eventually becoming more glutttonous, focusing on food (which became a running gag).
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Troi was also one-dimensional, though.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:03 PM   #60
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Damn. Now I really need to travel to an alternate timeline to see it happen.
How do you know this isn't an alternate timeline, and Phase II was what was supposed to have happened?

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