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Old July 11 2013, 12:00 PM   #1756
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Just finished the fighting pit chapter in Meereen. The first genuinely exciting Dany chapter in the book.. and it's her ninth. Think it's quite interesting how Dany increasingly views her subjects as savages.

Pretty much everybody native to Essos is a dick.
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Old July 11 2013, 02:49 PM   #1757
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^^^ Or a mystic.

Or both...
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Old July 11 2013, 07:07 PM   #1758
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Renly and Loras are both hardly worth mentioning on the list of characters who are barely recognizable in the show, but remember that Loras was Renly's squire since he was a child. Renly was practically a big brother in addition to bring his lover (or rapist, some might argue, depending on how and how early their sexual relationship started). I can't see this Loras throwing himself to an almost certain death to siege a castle that the man who killed his lover isn't even in.

But seriously, after the shaving scene their characters were already well and truly assassinated.
So they showed Renly as a human instead of just Robert 2.0 (which he wasn't even really, once you get passed the skin) and this ruined his character? I thought TV Renly was much more sympathetic than Book Renly.

And Loras...well, he never had much of a character to begin with.
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Old July 11 2013, 07:13 PM   #1759
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Renly in the show was completely white-washed, that's why you find him much more sympathetic.

Loras has even less personality in the show. He's a crude gay stereotype and his psychic powers told him Stannis was behind Renly's death and not Brienne.
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Old July 11 2013, 07:17 PM   #1760
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Does human mean he has to be a petulant emasculated douche with as much charisma as a cactus?
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Old July 11 2013, 07:27 PM   #1761
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Nearing the end of ADWD. For all the huge flaws in pacing, structure and Essos worldbuilding, it builds to a pretty gripping climax. Definitely the weakest ASOIAF novel, but still better than 90% of fantasy out there.

Hope we get Cersei's walk of shame in the show
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Old July 11 2013, 10:41 PM   #1762
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I just started A Dance With Dragons, so I look forward to catching up with you.
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Old July 11 2013, 11:21 PM   #1763
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I hope you like Essos. A Feast For Crows was an adrenaline ride in comparison to the pacing in this book.

I got kinda fed up with the idea of more Meereen so I decided to check out some of George R.R. Martins short stories. Sandkings is really damn good. Very creepy, and very funny. I checked out the TV adaptation expecting fun fluff but it had fuck-all to do with the short story and was incredibly dumb. Which is weird as the writer also wrote one of my favourite TNG episodes The Measure of a Man.
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Old July 12 2013, 04:40 AM   #1764
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Renly in the show was completely white-washed, that's why you find him much more sympathetic.

Loras has even less personality in the show. He's a crude gay stereotype and his psychic powers told him Stannis was behind Renly's death and not Brienne.
There was a deleted scene that showed Loras thinking it over and realizing that Brienne wouldn't have killed Renly, and that it was clearly something supernatural that killed Renly (he inspects the armor and sees that the kind of injury Renly died from was something a human in the room couldn't have given him).

Does human mean he has to be a petulant emasculated douche with as much charisma as a cactus?
I felt more sympathy and humanity from him in that whole scene where he's with Robert at his last hunt than I ever did in the books.
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Old July 12 2013, 05:58 AM   #1765
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I got kinda fed up with the idea of more Meereen so I decided to check out some of George R.R. Martins short stories. Sandkings is really damn good.
I loved that story when I read it way back when, especially as it's such a mirror-universe version of one of the best sf stories ever written imho, "Microcosmic God" by Theodore Sturgeon.

I've thought of GRRM as "the guy who wrote 'Sandkings'" for years...
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Old July 12 2013, 07:55 AM   #1766
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Grab Dreamsongs 1 and 2. While not everything is up there with A Song for Lya or Sandkings, there is plenty to make the occasional thuds worth reading through.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:02 AM   #1767
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Does human mean he has to be a petulant emasculated douche with as much charisma as a cactus?
I felt more sympathy and humanity from him in that whole scene where he's with Robert at his last hunt than I ever did in the books.
Great, he is pathetic. That misses the point of him entirely. Renly should have been the man we all wanted to be King. A stilled warrior, a charmer, all muscles and royal swagger. The picture of a fantasy king. Instead, by the time he confronts Stannis he just looks like a whiny kid and I couldn't wait for the shadow baby to do him in.
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Old July 12 2013, 12:45 PM   #1768
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I actually think Renly was pretty well cast, but his character wasn't translated right to screen. I also hate how Stannis doesn't particularly care Renly is dead, whereas in the books he suffered horrible nightmares afterwards and regretted his decision.


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Grab Dreamsongs 1 and 2. While not everything is up there with A Song for Lya or Sandkings, there is plenty to make the occasional thuds worth reading through.
I plan on reading all of GRRM's work over the course of this year. I haven't been this obsessed with an author's work since I got hooked on Robert A Heinlein.
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Old July 12 2013, 01:00 PM   #1769
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I didn't care for the casting of Robert or Renly myself, but Addy managed to pull off his character well enough at least.
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Old July 12 2013, 01:24 PM   #1770
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For all the many faults the show has, I think the majority of the casting decisions are superb. I hope we get the guy who played The Mountain in Season 1 for the Red Viper duel though, instead of the Season 2 guy. He didn't fit the role.
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