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Old July 10 2013, 01:21 PM   #76
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Re: Having a baby on Voyager?

Incest or death?

No privacy if they share orgasms during their awkward teenage constantly masturbating stage.

A surprise comparable to human epilepsy.

They can't risk driving, skateboarding or walking a high wire if their brother might be reaching for his own Johnson.
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Old July 10 2013, 01:49 PM   #77
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Vorik trips over in the middle of the Starfleet cafeteria, his plomeek soup flying through the air and lands on his face. Excitable humans run to his aid and ask what's happened. Green faced he mumbles, "it was as if millions of potential Vulcans cried out and were silenced.."
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Old July 10 2013, 03:24 PM   #78
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I did it. I just laughed out loud. Wow. That felt good.
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Old July 10 2013, 07:37 PM   #79
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I'm curious; what's wrong with Vorik's voice?
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Old July 10 2013, 09:57 PM   #80
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Do you know what a softon is?
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Old July 11 2013, 05:41 AM   #81
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As combat appears to be one way of ending pon farr and restoring a Vulcan's sanity, I seriously doubt that Vorik would have continued to try to force B'elanna into anything afterwards even if he had won either against her or Paris. With his sanity restored, I'm certain he would have respected her wishes. Perhaps he might have insisted had she been Vulcan, but as she isn't, I can't see him pushing for something she clearly didn't want.

I guess that's why I find it a little harsh when people make him out to be some sort of villian.
I agree with Sadara, he isn't a villian by any means! This is a biological tendency that occurs in ALL Vulcans. Vorik didn't volunteer to act this way. If the option was available to him, he would have asked to leave for Vulcan and settled this properly. While this episode was somewhat unfortunate, it could not have been helped and was resolved without injuries.
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Old July 11 2013, 10:14 PM   #82
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Red Panda put it best I think.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:15 AM   #83
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Red Panda put it best that Sadara is right?

Vorik had had 7 years to sort this out, and then 2 years to re-sort this out since everything went upside down. Instead of asking every woman on the ship, hours after Caretaker, if they wouldn't mind, so he wouldn't die or kill some one, if it wouldn't be too much trouble, that they wouldn't mind, purely medicinally mind you, to step in at his hour of need... Instead of that AN OUNCE OF FORWARD PLANNING: Vorik balls up to B'Elanna after Pon far had already started and practically proposes marriage and happily ever after, and lets face it, if Pon Far doesn't involve impregnation, then you're doing it wrong (Yes gay Vulcans, I get it, shut up. Plus does Pon far continue after menopause and other infertility issues?). Just think about that for a second... B'Elanna and Vorik raising a kid together (no not romantically together.) after she gives birth in the beginning of season 3?

Vorik's child would be calling Tom "Daddy" and the child would be mostly raised human, the infant would essentially grow up to be a Romulan.

The interesting thing I thought from Bloodfever is that Holographic sex is a shitty half measure because Vulcan's being telepathic can easily tell the difference between something that thinks, feels or emotes and a bock of plastic. Although 5 years later Tuvok wrecks a holographic representation of his wife, then walks away from that encounter like a pimp completely relieved and back to normal.

The only reason that holowhores were not good enough (When if not now would it have not been the perfect Opportunity to see a clip from Jake and Nog's favourite cinematic masterpiece Vulcan Loveslave II THE REVENGE!??) is because rape feels better... Which is not my personal assessment, but just the lesson I feel that this episode is trying to teach me.

In a comic a while back, The Defenders By Giffen and McGuire, the Incredible Hulk was rioting, but then a clever supervillainess gave him a blow job, no not a dirty comic, just a regular comic from Marvel, you don't see anything, the story skipped five minutes, but when the panelling focussed back on the green Goliath, he's deflated into Banner. DEFLATED! Think about the BILLIONS which the US military had spent on tanks, death rays and giant hulkbusting robots to put this monster in his place and failed, when for just a cost of one 1998 Mitsubishi Sabaru a day, you could target him with several moderately priced yet oh so brave callgirls to DEFLATE the problem before he smashes anything that can't be unsmashed.

Or just castrate Banner?
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Old July 12 2013, 08:26 AM   #84
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All the probs with Vorik can be traced to the whole dysfunctional secrecy Vulcans have about the Pon Farr - their whole "it is not something we talk about" attitude. That's the reason Vorik didn't plan ahead for a backup mate, and it's the reason no one came to his aid after the onset of the Pon Farr.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:40 AM   #85
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How many female crewmen do you think Tom slept with, now how many female crewmen do he made out with, and then finally how many did he date?

Got those numbers in your head?

I'm not saying that the women on Voyager were easy, but they did have very low standards.

"Vulcans are Victorian".

From Date of birth you can extrapolate the onset of puberty, they you can track pon far from there to within a margin of plus of minus one year. Although if you have the right super cool futuristic medical tools, I'm assuming that Pon Far leaves the sort of physical damage on a person as might a stroke or a cardiac event would cause which again can be tracked and time stamped.

The Doctor is negligent.

New medical/security protocols should have been devised after this, and implemented fleet wide as soon as Voyager started using the Midas array to talk to Earth... Unless it was "cheaper" for Starfleet to pay off the odd rape victim than to make it safe for "everyone" when these happened almost never percentagewise.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:02 AM   #86
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Pon Farr wasn't something Vulcans discussed with outsiders. It took Kirk a fair amount of effort to get Spock to talk about and they where close friends.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:20 AM   #87
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But if Spock had focused more on his human half to be comfortable with casual conversation, he could have just said, "Jim, if I don't get laid soon, I'm gonna die!"
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Old July 12 2013, 09:34 AM   #88
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Tuvok was able to get by with Holowife because he was older and had already experienced many pon farrs. He was able to compartmentalize and he knew what to expect. He could meditate effectively to sooth the need he had for telepathic connection and he could get all the physical stuff done separately, just like how a lot of people share a bedroom with someone who doesn't meet their friend needs.

I did admire Vorik for fooling the EMH by playing to his vanity

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But if Spock had focused more on his human half to be comfortable with casual conversation, he could have just said, "Jim, if I don't get laid soon, I'm gonna die!"
That's basically what he did say, eventually.
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Old July 12 2013, 09:45 AM   #89
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If meditation isn't code for masturbation, they deserve to die.

Of course meditation could be a poor translation from Ancient Vulcan for masturbation, or an intentional mistranslation by a stodgy politically correct ruling council a dozen centuries earlier.
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Old July 12 2013, 10:03 AM   #90
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Boy we sure do learn how to get by in the world from Voyager. We get to say "my people" whenever we've said something that we have no back up for and the listener must accept it and we get to have everyone thinking we're specially spiritual because we close the bedroom door to meditate several times a day.
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