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Old July 11 2013, 04:38 PM   #391
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Re: IDW Star Trek Ongoing...

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One of seeing the blue-ish Kirk in the Countdown comic leading up to Star Trek XI (when Nero was reading up on Kirk on the E-E)
I think there has been a more recent Shatneresque image as well. "Countdown" was a long time ago now.
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Old July 11 2013, 05:04 PM   #392
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^I assume "significant" means significant in the story. So offscreen characters like Spock's new captain, or bit players like Komack and Chandra in the Academy hearing or the other admirals in the Daystrom briefing, wouldn't count.
Captain Frank Abbott may have only had one or two lines, but he certainly couldn't fall under the category of "off-screen." They could easily have made Abbott a woman. I think he counts as being on the list.
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Old July 11 2013, 06:01 PM   #393
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^Oh, he was in the briefing scene? I forgot that. But remember, the question under discussion was about significant characters, not about every single character who appeared onscreen. Someone who has one or two lines as part of a group is not a significant character in the story.
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Old July 11 2013, 06:30 PM   #394
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But remember, the question under discussion was about significant characters, not about every single character who appeared onscreen. Someone who has one or two lines as part of a group is not a significant character in the story.
Oh, agreed, but a little more sex and gender diversity across the board would be nice. It wasn't until you posted that little list of yours that I truly realized how male-dominated the films were, much to my discredit. :/
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Old July 11 2013, 06:55 PM   #395
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^Which was my intent. Therin seemed to be suggesting that there wasn't really a gender imbalance, that there wasn't room in just 2 films to depict many authority figures of either sex, so I was pointing out that we've actually seen a significant number of male authority figures so far.
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Old July 11 2013, 11:13 PM   #396
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You're right, Abbot isn't really significant but it's also worth noting that there aren't that many insignificant women in positions of authority either. Mostly, I just really like T'Pau.
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Old July 12 2013, 12:28 AM   #397
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^ Exactly. I understand that the discussion is about featured characters in authority, but my comment was to say that even when they're NOT front and center, people in positions of power seem to be men. It would be cool if that were changed as well.
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Old July 12 2013, 07:01 AM   #398
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^Which was my intent. Therin seemed to be suggesting that there wasn't really a gender imbalance, that there wasn't room in just 2 films to depict many authority figures of either sex, so I was pointing out that we've actually seen a significant number of male authority figures so far.
Of course, the ultimate counter to that would be if we were to see a female Federation President in the third nuTrek film.
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Old July 12 2013, 07:10 AM   #399
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Therin seemed to be suggesting that there wasn't really a gender imbalance
Nah, I was suggesting that just two films so far might not be enough to establish a pattern.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:28 AM   #400
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Therin seemed to be suggesting that there wasn't really a gender imbalance
Nah, I was suggesting that just two films so far might not be enough to establish a pattern.
When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
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Old July 12 2013, 08:58 AM   #401
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When you throw the comics in the mix though...
But I don't recall that being what I was saying.
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Old July 13 2013, 09:46 AM   #402
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When you throw the comics in the mix though...
But I don't recall that being what I was saying.
Fair enough, although that was the context of the prior conversation, but I suppose either way the point is incorrect.

I'm surprised they've done so little with T'Pring too. Still, if you can beam to Qo'onos, you can beam to Romulus I suppose...
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Old July 14 2013, 04:54 AM   #403
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Therin seemed to be suggesting that there wasn't really a gender imbalance
Nah, I was suggesting that just two films so far might not be enough to establish a pattern.
When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
At least we've got TrekLit to counter this.
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Old July 14 2013, 05:38 AM   #404
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So, is the Shatner!Kirk scene in the actual comic, or not?
I've been trying to find all my variations to check. I thought I distinctly recalled a bluish Shatneresque Kirk image delivering Spock's birthday message, ie. the scripted piece that had prepared for Shatner's unused cameo, but it's not in the individual issues I checked a few days ago.
You're probably confusing two memories as one. One of seeing the blue-ish Kirk in the Countdown comic leading up to Star Trek XI (when Nero was reading up on Kirk on the E-E), and reading the scripted Shatner scene that was online when we found out that there was scene for the Shat in XI. I could be wrong, but it's possible..
I looked at my copy of the trade and the scene wasn't there.
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Old July 14 2013, 01:11 PM   #405
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Nah, I was suggesting that just two films so far might not be enough to establish a pattern.
When you throw the comics in the mix though, the pattern is definitely there and it's also a pattern that has existed to differing degrees since Trek's inception. The NuTrek movies look slightly worse than say, DS9, because there isn't enough material to establish a definitive pattern but the old imbalance is most definitely still showing up in what we have so far.
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