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Old July 10 2013, 01:59 PM   #16
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Re: What does 'nu' mean?

I'm slightly disappointed that NUhura never took off when referring to the character...
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Old July 10 2013, 03:59 PM   #17
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I'm betting it will stick. It'd be difficult to beat the ease of adding only two letters, and it's already in use. Any new name would have to be pretty damn catchy to take over now.
Well, first off, it's far from universally used now. Some people use "nuTrek" while others use "Abramsverse" while still others use "JJ Trek" or other labels. You're speaking as if a clear consensus had already emerged for the former, but that doesn't fit with my experience.

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I think there's a slightly disparaging quality to it. The way I see nu- is to read it as "this is what the kids call ... now". So nu-metal, this is what the kids call metal now; nu-Trek is what the kids call Trek now. Basically when something has been regurgitated in a way to appeal to "today's audiences" but might leave a bad taste in some of the old guard.
I've always had the impression that it was the label favored by people who wanted to dismiss the Abrams continuity or make it sound ridiculous.

And what I'm looking for is not some vernacular for fandom to use. I'm thinking more in terms of a formal designator that can be used in the long term as a permanent descriptor by reference texts, critics, the studio itself, etc. Although such things can take a long time to emerge. Once TNG came along, people started referring to the original series as "Star Trek Classic" or "Classic Trek," by analogy with Classic Coke vs. New Coke from the '80s. It wasn't until years later that the subtitle The Original Series came into common or formal usage. And it wasn't until the '90s that the '73 series began to be referred to as Star Trek: The Animated Series. Before then I'd always just called it "the animated Star Trek," or when I was younger, "the cartoon Star Trek."

So our current labels like "Abramsverse" and "nuTrek" are the equivalent of the "classic Trek" nickname we used to use for the original show. What I'd like to see is the emergence of something more like the TOS and TAS designators, a more official and formal category label for ease of reference. Something timeless that can still be used 20 or 30 years from now, after the novelty has worn off.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:06 PM   #18
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Re: What does 'nu' mean?

I've seen TOSR (The Original Series Reboot) flying around the interwebs.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:16 PM   #19
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^^Don't most people use TOSR to refer to the remastered TOS episodes?
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Old July 10 2013, 04:24 PM   #20
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You're speaking as if a clear consensus had already emerged for the former
That's not what I meant at all (although reading it back I can see why it would read that way), I only meant that I believe "nuTrek" as a term will not go away any time soon.

I personally don't use it disparagingly, I just use it because it is a very easy way to distinguish it from previous Treks. I personally would have preferred nuTOS as a simpler version, but what are ya gonna do?

And what I'm looking for is not some vernacular for fandom to use. I'm thinking more in terms of a formal designator that can be used in the long term as a permanent descriptor by reference texts, critics, the studio itself, etc.
That was my mistake then, sorry. I misunderstood your point on that one. Although didn't the "official" designations all start out as fandom ones?



TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ...ALT?
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Old July 10 2013, 04:32 PM   #21
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Old July 10 2013, 04:36 PM   #22
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Re: What does 'nu' mean?

I've always known Nu = New, it's used for Doctor Who and BSG as well. But, yea, I did think the reason for spelling it Nu was an Abbreviation for New Universe (Despite the fact that the "u" is rarely capitalized)

As for Chris Pine Trek, I switch up what I call it, I call it JJTrek and AbramsTrek as well as NuTrek and on rare occasions I call it Bad Robot Trek, The characters though, I almost always refer to as Nu... or sometimes as the actor+character, such as Pine-Kirk.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:40 PM   #23
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Although didn't the "official" designations all start out as fandom ones?
Err, not in the cases of the actual subtitles The Next Generation, Deep Space Nine, etc. And I don't think The Original Series and The Animated Series came into wide usage until they were adopted by Paramount. I mean, you'd find references to them being "the original series" and "the animated series" from time to time, but as lower-case descriptions, not upper-case titles.

TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ...ALT?
I've seen that abbreviation suggested, but what's the full term it's shorthand for? As I've said, Memory Alpha calls it "the alternate reality," but that feels too generic. Again, I'm thinking long-term here. As an SF writer, I habitually think about what will happen in the future. Someday there will almost certainly be another alternate reality -- some filmmaker or TV producer will create a third distinct Star Trek continuity, and maybe a fourth, etc. Now that it's been done once, it's paved the way for it to happen again. So "alternate reality" won't work forever.

But heck, maybe I'm the wrong person to address this question. I've been developing my own original SF universe for decades -- the one that includes my first two published stories and my novel Only Superhuman -- and to this day I still haven't come up with a good overall name for it.
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Old July 10 2013, 04:54 PM   #24
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I kinda like the designator used on Fanlore.org - Star Trek: AOS (Alternate Original Series)

Failing that, I dub it the Whitebritishkhaniverse.
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TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ...ALT?
I've seen that abbreviation suggested, but what's the full term it's shorthand for?
Well, works as a shorthand for "Alternate reality", which is the name used in the script by Uhura. Alt-universe, Alt-Kirk, Alt-Spock, USS Alterprise...
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Old July 10 2013, 05:12 PM   #26
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I just call it the Abramsverse, since JJ Abrams is the one who got the ball rolling on this version.
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Old July 10 2013, 07:07 PM   #27
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TOS, TAS, TNG, DS9, VOY, ENT, ...ALT?
I've seen that abbreviation suggested, but what's the full term it's shorthand for?
Well, works as a shorthand for "Alternate reality", which is the name used in the script by Uhura. Alt-universe, Alt-Kirk, Alt-Spock, USS Alterprise...
It was a rhetorical question, leading into my subsequent point that "alternate reality" is too generic to work in the long term, given that there will likely be other alternate Trek realities one day. (And already are -- the Mirror Universe, the "Yesteryear" universe, the "Parallels" universes, etc.)
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Old July 10 2013, 07:31 PM   #28
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Re: What does 'nu' mean?

How about this; DC Comics has separated all of their lengthy continuities into separate Earths. Every time someone comes up with a new, closed continuity, they just add another Earth with a number (Earth 2 or Earth 76).

Why don't we just start something similar with Star Trek? Right now we would have Trekverse 1 and Trekverse 2, but over time (maybe when Trek has entered it's 3rd re-imagining) it'll catch on.

If we all go with my idea and stick to it, it'll catch on!
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Old July 10 2013, 07:32 PM   #29
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'Nu' is an English phonemic representation of a letter of the Greek alphabet.

Whenever I see it I think of Doctors Mew New and Omicron Pie from the Barchester Chronicles.

On the subject of its misuse in science fiction conversations, I quite like the ALT tag since it actually does distinguish between [gag] mirror which is an abomination which should never have been entertained EVER; and parallel, which is only really well dealt with in Sliders and Stargate. Trek writers were far too limited in their interpretation of this.
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Old July 10 2013, 07:41 PM   #30
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the prefix nu gets itself attached to other things not just Trek, how about nuWho. When it isn't really as it's a direct continuation of the show.
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