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Old July 9 2013, 06:10 PM   #31
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I can understand Kate's feelings and ill-will about being upstaged by a young sexy newcomer. That's normal.

But that's when professionalism comes into play, in any line of work.

I could understand if, for example, Garrett acted up in such a poor fashion. But Kate is the experienced veteran performer, the "leader" of the cast and show. I'd expect her to set a better example and behave more professionally.

Plus, so many scenes and eps with Seven were directly about her interactions with Janeway. More scenes for Jeri usually meant more scenes for Kate, so what's the big deal?
Actors and actresses are people too and sometimes things are taken personally. It happens even in office jobs. It happens at my own work and we aren't in front of millions of viewers.

Yes, everyone should be professional.

But sometimes things just hurt and you can't really hide it.

Having seen Kate's personality through interviews, I highly doubt Kate was causing a ruckus and yelling at Jeri Ryan...I don't think it was that level of unprofessional. It was probably just a general animosity and also having to go to the set day after day with the hurtful feeling that she might not be "good enough" or something, compared to Jeri. Which I don't think is true at all, but in general many actresses are insecure.

Being upstaged is never a good feeling for anyone, actress or not.
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Old July 9 2013, 06:42 PM   #32
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I've always disliked Kate Mulgrew - just her voice, her persona, her look, her acting. Nothing based on character or behaviour, but now I feel somewhat justified...

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Old July 9 2013, 07:52 PM   #33
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I listened to it the other day & it was the first time I could remember JR "kind of" saying something...
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Old July 9 2013, 08:21 PM   #34
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Plus, so many scenes and eps with Seven were directly about her interactions with Janeway. More scenes for Jeri usually meant more scenes for Kate, so what's the big deal?
I am not particularly a big fan of Mulgrew, Beltran or Ryan. I draw a line between the actor and the character. I love Voyager's characters, not so much the actors.

That being said, the situation that placed Ryan in the series in season three, had to be at the very least awkward. That situation has always reminded me of the movie, "All About Eve." You only have Ryan's word that she was treated badly, and Mulgrew's silence. I do know if I was hired to be the star of a television series and then had someone added in the middle to "save" the show, I'd be pretty pissed too. Then soon that "new star" latches on to one of the producers, I'd be suspicious as hell and would hold that person at a definite arm's length at the very least.
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Old July 9 2013, 08:27 PM   #35
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I like both actresses very much and have heard them say nice things about one another in various interviews. However, I couldn't imagine that in this kind of situation that there WOULDN'T be tension on the set.

If I was the "star", for lack of a better word, of a show for three years and then suddenly, after a few seasons, they brought in someone young and sexy to boost ratings and made her a big focus, I would probably be upset too.

I am not defending anyone or saying that either was right or wrong, but to be honest...who wouldn't be upset in that circumstance?

On the same note, Jeri Ryan probably had her nerves jumbled just knowing that her joining the cast would cause tension. Like she said, being the new kid is never fun. People are used to one thing and when it gets changed, it causes tensions. Part of Jeri's "sickness" the night before scenes might have been also from her own consciousness...knowing what her role was and what Kate's role was. Kind of like paranoia possibly.

However, even if every single thing she said was completely true...was this really necessary to bring up years later? To me it's almost like throwing someone under a bus 10+ years later for no real reason. Kate admitted in an interview I watched that she felt a little bit hurt and other feelings when they brought Jeri Ryan on without directly saying anything negative or harsh about her. She often complimented Jeri's acting ability as well and constantly spoke about how she should not just be viewed as the hot borg, but as a great actress. So I think Jeri saying these things was slightly more hurtful than the things Kate has said. I am just going by various interviews since obviously we weren't there, on the set.

That said, no one knows what happened on the set except them, so we shall never really know.

This kind of thing reminds me of when I was a hardcore Laverne and Shirley fan and found out that there was tons of tension on the set and fighting between Penny Marshall and Cindy Williams, the two main stars. But even through all of that, they always constantly spoke about how they had the utmost respect for one another at all times. And now years later, they are pretty good friends. It seems like the same thing is not true of Jeri and Kate, but you never know.

Time heals old grievances usually, but for her to STILL be talking about it years later when she knows Kate could possibly read it and be hurt by it, obviously they haven't settled their differences in the same way as Penny/Cindy did.

And to add to that...Democrat vs. Republican.
Good Post. I think there is valid reasons on both sides for the tensions. When Ryan was brought on board, they had fired Kes to do it, and many of the cast members liked Lein, and may have actually been friends with her. Maybe Mulgrew felt not only upset Lein was let go, but also that she could easily be next and some of that tension came out, unintentionally. I remember while Voyager was still in first run during seasons 4-7 seeing at other boards where people were actually wanting Janeway killed off. Maybe Mulgrew was fearful of that happening. I mean, they did kill her off at least twice, in a way.

Not saying if what Ryan says is true was very professional of Mulgrew, but I can understand it.

Also, from Mulgrew's perspective, here we have a young woman coming in all of a sudden getting top billing, and more screen time than other cast members than have been there from the beginning. We don't know how Ryan treated them, either, and you have to admit that as she started to date Braga, she "mysteriously" got more screen time.
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Old July 9 2013, 08:55 PM   #36
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I am not particularly a big fan of Mulgrew, Beltran or Ryan. I draw a line between the actor and the character. I love Voyager's characters, not so much the actors.
It's funny because most of us only know the characters the actors play. I personally know none of the actors and would certainly not prejudice any opinion I might have of them as individuals, in the unlikely event we ever meet, from gossip. Obviously you have met some or all of them and can make this comparison.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:10 PM   #37
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Don't forget that Jennifer Lien had just been booted off the show to make room for her too. I'd imagine that didn't help any of the existing cast's feelings. Did GW know he almost went too?

Whatever truth/extent this went to, it could have just been the first few months/year, unfortunately the incidents tend to stick in the mind, especially after a fair bit of time has passed.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:54 PM   #38
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Don't forget that Jennifer Lien had just been booted off the show to make room for her too. I'd imagine that didn't help any of the existing cast's feelings. Did GW know he almost went too?

Whatever truth/extent this went to, it could have just been the first few months/year, unfortunately the incidents tend to stick in the mind, especially after a fair bit of time has passed.
Mulgrew has said that she "has great loyalty to her original crew," which could mean that she was angry about Lien's dismissal. In any case, I'd love to hear her perspective on the alleged feud with Jeri Ryan. Was it all it's cracked up to be?

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Old July 9 2013, 11:58 PM   #39
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Good Post. I think there is valid reasons on both sides for the tensions. When Ryan was brought on board, they had fired Kes to do it, and many of the cast members liked Lein, and may have actually been friends with her. Maybe Mulgrew felt not only upset Lein was let go, but also that she could easily be next and some of that tension came out, unintentionally. I remember while Voyager was still in first run during seasons 4-7 seeing at other boards where people were actually wanting Janeway killed off. Maybe Mulgrew was fearful of that happening. I mean, they did kill her off at least twice, in a way.
It's the Gates McFadden thing all over again, but they brought Crusher back after her missing season. Jennifer Lien getting fired probably destroyed moral for the actors on the set though.

Also, from Mulgrew's perspective, here we have a young woman coming in all of a sudden getting top billing, and more screen time than other cast members than have been there from the beginning. We don't know how Ryan treated them, either, and you have to admit that as she started to date Braga, she "mysteriously" got more screen time.
Mulgrew had no reason to complain. As captain, she always remained the lead character on the show.
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Old July 10 2013, 12:05 AM   #40
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It's the Gates McFadden thing all over again, but they brought Crusher back after her missing season.
And how is it Ryan's fault that Lien was dropped? It's not as though she had a choice in who she would replace, and as Kes' character had a limited lifespan anyway, it's not as though she'd have been useful to the franchise for the entire series. Had she not fled after "Fury," it's likely she'd have died aboard Voyager before the series ended.

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Mulgrew had no reason to complain. As captain, she always remained the lead character on the show.
Maybe. I'm reaching, but I wonder if part of her concern came about due to how Sisko's character evolved. Granted, he wasn't killed off, but his character was taken out of the mix until it was brought back in the DS9 novels. Did Mulgrew think Brooks' character arc would make Janeway expendable and therefore unavailable if the series were to progress to films? It's hard to know, but she clearly had reservations about her character's popularity being dwarfed by Ryan.

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I saw Kate Mulgrew a couple years ago when she was in Melbourne and during the Q and A some idiot stood up and asked her in that rambling way people do at cons.. "so I've heard these rumors and I don't know if they are true or not, I really think they might just be rumors but I've read a lot of them and I don't know if they're true but I'm wondering is it true that you and Jeri Ryan had a huge conflict on the set and don't like each other?"

And boy was there a reaction. Mulgrew had been very lively and happy up to this point, seemed to be having a great time. At this question she lowered her microphone and her head and paced back and forth a couple times, then turned towards the guy that asked it and fixed him with the Janeway Death Glare. She said in the Janeway Death Glare Voice, "Oh I think you DO believe those rumors because I don't think you would have asked this question if you did not." Guy starts spluttering and she does that great Mulgrew hand held up thing where everything STOPS.

Then she told us that yes she resented that the first woman captain which she was very invested in being was going to be undermined by a sex symbol which is what all the publicity told them Jeri was going to be. Here she was, refusing a relationship for Janeway to not undermine her captaincy and now they were bringing on this person who was by all they had seen there to sex the whole thing up.

She then went on to say that the character became much more than that and that Jeri is a great professional actor etc.. but that initially it was taken very badly as a downgrade for the show.

I don't recall her mentioning Lien but I've read elsewhere she got on well with her, so I'd imagine that may have come into it too.

And that was it. I'd imagine she was probably a bitch but really this was years ago and she seems to want to get over it.
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So, it was 100% slash. As I have always thought.
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I am not particularly a big fan of Mulgrew, Beltran or Ryan. I draw a line between the actor and the character. I love Voyager's characters, not so much the actors.
Judging from interviews alone, since I have not met them in person (YET!)...

I love Kate Mulgrew. I love her voice, her personality, and her humor. I've seen enough footage and heard enough interviews with her to make some sort of assessment and I just relate most to her. My favorite actor on the show to watch outside of Voyager would be Robert Picardo...however I love Kate. She didn't grow up in Hollywood, had a rather simple life before Voyager, and I think she probably tried pretty damn hard to get where she is.

I like Jeri Ryan and think she was kick ass as Seven, but something about her seems faker to me than Kate. However, I haven't seen as much footage with her, so forgive me if that seems like a premature assessment. Then there's that weird stuff with Jack Ryan about the sex clubs...and dating the show's producer RIGHT after. It's a little bit off-putting of her to expect everyone to just be fine with her dating the show's producer. Then she had to rub it in that she was treated better after? Also I am not a Republican, so we differ in that respect too. :P

Robert Beltran, judging from interviews, obviously doesn't like Star Trek at ALL...and was PISSED as all Hell about how his character was developed. I have to say I appreciate his honesty and candidness about how he feels. You can't say the dude is at all fake...however in most interviews he acts like a douche. He doesn't seem to care what the fans think of it either. I oddly respect this, but at the same time think it's rude. And apparently his favorite episode is "Tattoo" which is one of the worst VOY episodes, Chakotay or not Chakotay...and I love VOY.
Beltran was okay in some of his more "serious interviews" and he seemed genuine. I'm sure he's an okay guy. But, I can never tell whether or not he's joking when he says negative things about his character and Star Trek. Because in other interviews, he acts differently. I would want to meet him just for the experience.

Just my opinion. Has no baring on this issue actually of Jeri/Kate. I just happened to watch some really whack Beltran videos on YouTube just now and wanted to post my feelings.
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Maybe. I'm reaching, but I wonder if part of her concern came about due to how Sisko's character evolved. Granted, he wasn't killed off, but his character was taken out of the mix until it was brought back in the DS9 novels. Did Mulgrew think Brooks' character arc would make Janeway expendable and therefore unavailable if the series were to progress to films? It's hard to know, but she clearly had reservations about her character's popularity being dwarfed by Ryan.

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I don't think she was as concerned with her own character's popularity per se. Probably she just thought that a) it was uncalled for to throw Kes out (which didn't matter to me since I'm not a big Kes fan) but being on a show with someone for 3 years and then seeing them just get fired could be jarring, especially if they were close. b) I think she cared more about the show's integrity and quality than "her character". When they announced "we are bringing in someone sexy to boost ratings" she probably assumed that they were becoming less concerned with quality and more about ratings. However, Jeri Ryan did bring much needed quality to the show which Kate fully acknowledges in several quotes after the fact. I think she understood after a few episodes that the character and actress had a lot more potential than just 'hot chick'. She admits this many times over the years.
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