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Old July 9 2013, 04:34 AM   #31
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^McCoy talks to Kirk about "a case of Andorian shingles" in the shuttle at the Riverside shipyard, when they take off for the Academy.
Yep, plus the references to TMP's K'Normians in STiD, although I've never identified an actual K'Normian in TMP footage, even though they made it as a pair of tie-in Citadel UK metal miniatures in 1980, and a single pic in "Star Trek: The Magazine".
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Old July 9 2013, 04:36 AM   #32
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K'Normians?
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Old July 9 2013, 05:51 AM   #33
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K'Normians?
http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/K%27normian

Mudd's vessel and the costumes the landing party put on to go to the Klingon homeworld in STiD.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:50 AM   #34
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JJ Abrams has this annoying habit of tweaking the appearance of major Trek aliens. When I first saw the Romulans in Trek 09 I kept asking myself 'they're Romulans?'. Then in STID they did the same thing with the Klingons and only now did I realise what they had done; they removed both species hair.

I shudder to think what the Cardassians will look like if they are included in a new Trek movie...
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Old July 9 2013, 02:00 PM   #35
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^^In the case of the Klingons, presumably it was only the commander that Uhura was talking to that was bald. Other Klingons can be seen to have hair under their helmets.
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Old July 9 2013, 02:16 PM   #36
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I wouldn't mind seeing an Andorian or two but as long as we don't see Alf at the helm . . . I'm cool with all the various races.
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Old July 9 2013, 02:49 PM   #37
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JJ Abrams has this annoying habit of tweaking the appearance of major Trek aliens. When I first saw the Romulans in Trek 09 I kept asking myself 'they're Romulans?'. Then in STID they did the same thing with the Klingons and only now did I realise what they had done; they removed both species hair.
We saw Romulans with hair in Old Spock's mind-meld flashforward. It was only Nero's crew that were bald. The "change" they made was removing the forehead ridges added to them in TNG.
The Klingons looked the same as ever, just with more detail and far better costuming to me. The only reason the Klingon we saw was bald was a problem with the hairpiece coming off with the helmet, so they made the leader bald. The others had hair. And if bald Klingons are somehow wrong, General Chang would like a word with you
I shudder to think what the Cardassians will look like if they are included in a new Trek movie...
Is the correct look of the Cardassians how they looked in TNG's "The Wounded" or in DS9? Or the Bajorans the way Ro or Kira's ridges looked? Or is the correct look of the Trill from "The Host" or DS9? Do Andorian antennae come from the rear of the head like in TOS or the front like ENT?
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Old July 9 2013, 02:55 PM   #38
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JJ Abrams has this annoying habit of tweaking the appearance of major Trek aliens. When I first saw the Romulans in Trek 09 I kept asking myself 'they're Romulans?'. Then in STID they did the same thing with the Klingons and only now did I realise what they had done; they removed both species hair.

I shudder to think what the Cardassians will look like if they are included in a new Trek movie...
Odd complaint considering that the Klingons appearance has been tweaked every time they've been in a film. Even in TOS there was variation in the make up.

The Romulans were also tweaked when they showed up in TNG. A tweak that was ignored by the films released at the same time.
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Old July 9 2013, 06:08 PM   #39
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I don't understand why people wouldn't want the look of aliens to evolve. With that attitude, the Klingons would still be wearing blackface and Fu manchu mustaches.
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Old July 9 2013, 06:49 PM   #40
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I don't understand why people wouldn't want the look of aliens to evolve. With that attitude, the Klingons would still be wearing blackface and Fu manchu mustaches.
And I would be cool with that. You know, purity of Trek and Gene's vision, all that stuff.
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Old July 11 2013, 12:55 PM   #41
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JJ Abrams has this annoying habit of tweaking the appearance of major Trek aliens.
Huh? Have you compared the Klingons of TOS, TMP, ST III, ST V & VI and TNG?

Have you compared the Andorians of TOS, TAS, TMP, ST IV, TNG and ENT?

Have you compared the Orions of TOS and TAS?

Have you compared the Tiburonians of TOS and DS9?

Have you compared the Trill of TNG and DS9?

Have you compared the Romulans of TOS with TNG, which included changes then ignored by ST V?

Makeup artists like to design new aliens, not just copy old designs created by others. They also like to use new materials that weren't available when those aliens were first created.

Like it's just JJ's "annoying habit"? His makeup artists have slightly changed two alien makeups so far. Or at least offered us something different.

Have you compared the amazing physical differences between human clines lately?
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Old July 11 2013, 03:31 PM   #42
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JJ Abrams has this annoying habit of tweaking the appearance of major Trek aliens. When I first saw the Romulans in Trek 09 I kept asking myself 'they're Romulans?'. Then in STID they did the same thing with the Klingons and only now did I realise what they had done; they removed both species hair.

I shudder to think what the Cardassians will look like if they are included in a new Trek movie...
The new look Romulans didn't bother me that much, the tattoos and head shaving ties in with the fact they are more like pirates that anything else (though it's odd that TNG-era Prime Universe Romulans have gone back to have a smooth forehead). The Klingon did bother me, I mean what's with all the crest bling? Hugely impractical when in combat. Again being bald doesn't bother me, General Chang was almost completely hairless.
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Old July 11 2013, 03:47 PM   #43
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I mean what's with all the crest bling? Hugely impractical when in combat.
The Klingons of ST III and TNG often had dangling hair decorations and ponytails.

What do you think the helmet was for? Keeps the piercings out of reach of his enemies.

20th century punks were often well decorated with facial piercings and they were often in brawls.
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These guys go into battle weating unnecessary 20-pound ceremonial sashes, yet a few piercings and rings are a deal breaker?
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(though it's odd that TNG-era Prime Universe Romulans have gone back to have a smooth forehead).
I always though it was odd they put the forehead gunk on the Romulans to begin with.
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