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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old July 8 2013, 04:37 PM   #61
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I never had a problem with the concept of Sybok as Spock's emotional half-brother, but the execution left something to be desired. There was nothing remotely Vulcan about Luckinbill's performance...he just came off as a gregarious human who happened to have pointed ears.
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Old July 8 2013, 04:57 PM   #62
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I never had a problem with the concept of Sybok as Spock's emotional half-brother, but the execution left something to be desired. There was nothing remotely Vulcan about Luckinbill's performance...he just came off as a gregarious human who happened to have pointed ears.
Agree.
Well, that's what you get when you give a Vulcan emotions.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:25 AM   #63
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^It doesn't have to be, that's just creative laziness. The actor and/or director should have come up with something about Sybok's personality/mannerisms to distinguish him as still being an alien, and a Vulcan in particular.

On occasions when Spock's emotions were let loose, it always came off as odd and unnerving, IMO. And take a look at TNG's "Sarek"--Patrick Stewart gives us a tour de force performance as Picard channeling Sarek's lifetime of pent-up emotions being unleashed. We have Stewart playing the human Picard displaying emotions, but he's not remotely the same character as Picard.

The concept from TOS was that Vulcans suppressed their emotions for a reason...that they were a very violent and barbaric people. Sybok should have at least given hints of a dark and violent side that he was keeping in check. Some resentment towards Spock might have been an interesting direction to take.

If you're going to give us "the emotional Vulcan" cliche, do something interesting with it. Don't just put ears on a character who doesn't even have a compelling reason to be Vulcan.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:38 AM   #64
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I'm really looking forward to seeing this version of the film. I hope Shatner and CBS sign off on it and release it on Bluray. That would be most excellent.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:57 AM   #65
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If you're going to give us "the emotional Vulcan" cliche, do something interesting with it. Don't just put ears on a character who doesn't even have a compelling reason to be Vulcan.
But was it really a cliche in 1989?

Not every Vulcan is going to be ape-shit violent when they show emotion. I thought Luckinbill did fine with the material he had, he can't be blamed for forced humor and shitty special effects.
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Old July 9 2013, 01:10 AM   #66
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The other aspect is that this wasn't a show where they could do a lot of takes, since production was playing catchup from the start. It could be that additional takes would have let Luckinbill range out a bit away from his WeirdUncleVulcan toward something that had the more traditional Surak/Sarek/Spock feel (more like Von Sydow would have done it.)
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Old July 9 2013, 03:35 AM   #67
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How is it the Directors Cut if the director of the film didn't work on it?
The ST II Director's Cut DVD was essentially someone showing Nick Meyer what had already been added to the ABC-TV extended screening and him agreeing it was okay. IIRC.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:33 AM   #68
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But was it really a cliche in 1989?
It was in my opinion at the time.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:50 AM   #69
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those who say the effects look to much like cgi the fx team also made the effects in HD for a possible blu ray release and the HD effects hold up much better
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Old July 9 2013, 05:03 AM   #70
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How is it the Directors Cut if the director of the film didn't work on it?
The ST II Director's Cut DVD was essentially someone showing Nick Meyer what had already been added to the ABC-TV extended screening and him agreeing it was okay. IIRC.
Yeah, and that really subverted the whole notion of a director's cut, since I was hoping & praying we'd see what had gotten screened as the director's cut in May 82 before they snipped about 16 minutes and added the stuff with the coffin in Golden Gate Park.

THAT was the director's cut, with Spock dead at the end, not on ice waiting for a kiss to be reawakened.
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Old July 9 2013, 05:55 AM   #71
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Well, even that version had the "remember" scene leaving the door open for a sequel.
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Old July 9 2013, 06:54 AM   #72
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I never understood why some people were against Spock having a half brother.
When DC Fontana was working for TOS, she became the custodian for all things Vulcan, and had put out a memo suggesting to the writers that, in order for Spock to retain his uniqueness as a character, they should refrain from doing stories where all manner of siblings appear as guest stars.

She and Roddenberry reminded Shatner of this when the script of ST V was being firmed up, but he chose to ignore their input. DC also managed to put a cheeky line into her then-upcoming novel, "Vulcan's Glory", where Amanda states that Spock is "the only son of Sarek". (A few months later and the line would probably have been removed.)
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Old July 9 2013, 07:59 AM   #73
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The sudden appearance of a brother never bothered me too much. It is a bit contrived though.

I think it would have been better had Sybok been a controversial teacher/professor/philosopher with whom Spock had studied and developed a mentor relationship. Sybok was then dismissed from his position and ostracized and disappeared. There is still a deep connection there, there is no sense of retcon, and it's all easily explained in a couple of lines.
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Old July 9 2013, 09:28 AM   #74
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Why is Sybok being Spock's half brother a retcon? It's not a retcon.
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Old July 9 2013, 11:34 AM   #75
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Why would CBS be approached about this? Unless I missed something, Star Trek V belongs to Paramount. CBS only owns the TV material.

And why do I get the feeling that once Paramount passes on it, we'll never see it released as a fan effort either?
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