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Old July 5 2013, 10:47 PM   #151
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

In season 6, B'Elanna said to the Captain "Hey lady!? I want to rotate the tires, so we might as well land and really get a look under the hood."

There was some nice CGI of removed hull plating as engineers were tinkering with the engine after Voyager had landed.
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Old July 6 2013, 02:40 AM   #152
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

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Aside from a couple of episodes DSN wasn't on the frontline, it might have been close to it, but it really didn't take the same pounding week in week out that VOY did.
It was a major staging point for a War and more or less a Major Sector HQ point. It would've made more sense for the place to come under attack more often and be more damaged.

If holding true to its' war story, then the Station should've been taking more of a beating than VOY (which really didn't take a beating most of the time).


i.e they could have done something like

Captains Log supplemental, we have just completed a stop over with the Yoldaran's, where we were able to make long needed repairs to the ship.
Do that, and folks are just PO'ed they didn't see a 2-parter dedicated to the repairs and only the repairs.

You just can't win.
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Old July 6 2013, 03:37 AM   #153
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They could have done a lot with a "Landing to take repairs" story.

Hey we've landed on this deserted planet and deconstructed the engines. WHOOPS not so deserted after all. There are raiders who try to loot the ship and end up in a hostage situation, or swamp monsters, or energy creatures who don't like trespassers, or a whole cloaked settlement or primitives, or whatever.

They could have done an episode where it was literally, either share your stuff or you're dead in the water, and they had to make actual hard choices about Starfleet ethics. They never did because they wanted the crew to stay pure and lovable.
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Old July 6 2013, 03:59 AM   #154
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They could have done an episode where it was literally, either share your stuff or you're dead in the water, and they had to make actual hard choices about Starfleet ethics. They never did because they wanted the crew to stay pure and lovable.
I thought "Scorpion" did that to some extent. Granted, Janeway made the choice to approach the Borg about using their nanoprobes against Species 8472, but Voyager would have been in a tough spot had they tried to cross the Northwest Passage on their own.

I actually agreed with Chakotay's argument and thought Janeway was out of line for second-guessing the decisions he made while in command of the ship. Whatever she may have thought about his actions, he had the make the decision that he thought was best, not what he thought she would have wanted him to do.

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Old July 7 2013, 08:29 AM   #155
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They could have done a lot with a "Landing to take repairs" story.

Hey we've landed on this deserted planet and deconstructed the engines. WHOOPS not so deserted after all. There are raiders who try to loot the ship and end up in a hostage situation, or swamp monsters, or energy creatures who don't like trespassers, or a whole cloaked settlement or primitives, or whatever.
They did that with "Basics".

They could have done an episode where it was literally, either share your stuff or you're dead in the water, and they had to make actual hard choices about Starfleet ethics. They never did because they wanted the crew to stay pure and lovable.
And what's wrong with that? It worked with all the other series, even DS9 presented Sisko's morally gray decisions as ultimately being good ones.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:51 AM   #156
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They shared every thing in The Void. Built a community. Even kicked an ass out of their collective who wouldn't stick to the Federations moral code, despite him having the coolest toys.
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Old July 7 2013, 06:04 PM   #157
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Yes, they did what folks expected them to do with the premise.

And what positive response did they get from the audience? Zero.

Honestly, you just can't win.
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Old July 8 2013, 12:50 PM   #158
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

I thought "The Void" had been received relatively favorably...
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Old July 8 2013, 05:51 PM   #159
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Folks can say NOW what they liked about the show, but it doesn't match up with their reactions back when anything aired.

Hell, even "Living Witness" was seen only for its flaws and not its strengths.
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Old July 8 2013, 10:58 PM   #160
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But every one from the past is more stupid and ignorant than we here in the future are.

Even us compared to our past selves.

This is why insider trading is illegal, because it's kinda like time travel.
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Old July 8 2013, 11:19 PM   #161
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That means we're completely stupid now compared to who we will be in ten years.
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Old July 8 2013, 11:49 PM   #162
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Even ten minutes, and it's called growth.

Of course you could send abusive mail to your future self...

Have you seen the most recent season of Red Dwarf from late last year where Dave Lister gets upset that he's never really treated is kid right, given him good advice or steered the boy towards being a better human being... And there was something about Fathers Day muddled into it as well.

Lister then set up a whole bunch of crap to twat his kid when he was too drunk to remember what he had done the following day as he received a series of time delayed vid-mail from his dad.

(There was a time travel thingy years earlier. Lister is his own father. Sure you know that, but there are Americans spying on this conversation.)
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Old July 9 2013, 12:00 AM   #163
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Folks can say NOW what they liked about the show, but it doesn't match up with their reactions back when anything aired.

Hell, even "Living Witness" was seen only for its flaws and not its strengths.
The flaw being the magically appearing back-up copy of the EMH that only a few episodes earlier they didn't have? And even if they did manage to construct one and it was lost why not construct another one. As in later episodes there was no EMH back-up module. As plot flaws goes it's a big one.

Of course setting aside the massive plot hole it was one of VOY's better episodes.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:08 AM   #164
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My views on television shows have changed a lot less over ten years than my views on my life. I guess that's comforting stuff.. in ten years when I'm living in a commune in the desert protesting something very important I will still love Voyager.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:30 AM   #165
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And Sherri Applybee was in a horrific webseries, [not a joke]that was really just an add for tampons and facewipes[/not a joke] called "dating Advice form my future self" where she was lead to beleive in the future that she had invented a way to text message glib communication about into the past about "boys" and "feelings".

(back to the real world.)

Would you vote for the same people you did in the last half dozen elections after seeing what they did with that power?
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