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Old July 6 2013, 03:56 PM   #16
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

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Yes, but if you don't have a Blue Ray player, and only have DVD, both versions are available in separate season sets.
Except that the remastered episodes with original FX are not available on DVD, AFAIK.
Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004, the the remastered episodes with remastered effects were released in 2008. I've had both sets since their original releases.
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Old July 6 2013, 04:12 PM   #17
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

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Yes, but if you don't have a Blue Ray player, and only have DVD, both versions are available in separate season sets.
Except that the remastered episodes with original FX are not available on DVD, AFAIK.
Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004, the the remastered episodes with remastered effects were released in 2008. I've had both sets since their original releases.
But the cleaned-up episodes with the original effects are not available on DVD.
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Old July 7 2013, 01:57 AM   #18
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

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Yes, but if you don't have a Blue Ray player, and only have DVD, both versions are available in separate season sets.
Except that the remastered episodes with original FX are not available on DVD, AFAIK.
Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004, the the remastered episodes with remastered effects were released in 2008. I've had both sets since their original releases.
You misunderstand.

We're talking about three different versions here: 1) the version released on DVD in 2004; 2) the remastered version in HD with the original FX; 3) the remastered version with new special FX.

Versions 1 and 3 are available on DVD; version 2 is not available on DVD. Versions 2 and 3 are available on bluray, both in HD, but not version 1.
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Old July 8 2013, 04:59 PM   #19
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

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Except that the remastered episodes with original FX are not available on DVD, AFAIK.
Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004, the the remastered episodes with remastered effects were released in 2008. I've had both sets since their original releases.
You misunderstand.

We're talking about three different versions here: 1) the version released on DVD in 2004; 2) the remastered version in HD with the original FX; 3) the remastered version with new special FX.

Versions 1 and 3 are available on DVD; version 2 is not available on DVD. Versions 2 and 3 are available on bluray, both in HD, but not version 1.
Oh yeah. HD. I did forget that one. HD came and went so fast (it was the loser in the "format war" a few years back, yes?), it's no wonder I forgot it.
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Old July 8 2013, 05:06 PM   #20
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Oh yeah. HD. I did forget that one. HD came and went so fast (it was the loser in the "format war" a few years back, yes?), it's no wonder I forgot it.
HD-DVD has absolutely nothing to do with the discussion. There was never a DVD release of the remastered episodes with the original special effects intact.
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Old July 8 2013, 07:23 PM   #21
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Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004, the the remastered episodes with remastered effects were released in 2008. I've had both sets since their original releases.
You misunderstand.

We're talking about three different versions here: 1) the version released on DVD in 2004; 2) the remastered version in HD with the original FX; 3) the remastered version with new special FX.

Versions 1 and 3 are available on DVD; version 2 is not available on DVD. Versions 2 and 3 are available on bluray, both in HD, but not version 1.
Oh yeah. HD. I did forget that one. HD came and went so fast (it was the loser in the "format war" a few years back, yes?), it's no wonder I forgot it.
No, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about the original series with the original FX remastered and looking much clearer and better than the original DVD release.

Now, you own the remastered episodes with the new FX on DVD, right? Okay, imagine the series looking just as clear and bright and good as that, but with the original 1960s special FX, not the new CGI FX. That's what was never released on DVD, and that's what you get on bluray. It's still remastered, just with the old FX instead of the new. "Remastered" has nothing to do with "new FX."
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Old July 9 2013, 05:19 AM   #22
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

I finally found what I was looking for ... I actually started the thread myself back then, and one of the answers I got was this (emphasis mine):

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Yes, you can choose to only watch the episodes with the original effects. You can also choose to listen to the mono track with (for the most part) is about the same as the original sound mix as the originals.

However, there are a couple of episodes which incorrectly have the new opening credits, even when you choose to watch the original version. The rest of the episode is fine, just the credits got screwed with.

You can also listen to the original sound mix over the new effects, so you never have to listen to that re-recording ever, even if you're in the mood for the new footage.
Can anyone confirm or deny that thing about the opening credits?
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Old July 9 2013, 05:25 AM   #23
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Can anyone confirm or deny that thing about the opening credits?
It's nothing I ever noticed.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:20 PM   #24
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You misunderstand.

We're talking about three different versions here: 1) the version released on DVD in 2004; 2) the remastered version in HD with the original FX; 3) the remastered version with new special FX.

Versions 1 and 3 are available on DVD; version 2 is not available on DVD. Versions 2 and 3 are available on bluray, both in HD, but not version 1.
Oh yeah. HD. I did forget that one. HD came and went so fast (it was the loser in the "format war" a few years back, yes?), it's no wonder I forgot it.
No, I'm not talking about that at all. I'm talking about the original series with the original FX remastered and looking much clearer and better than the original DVD release.

Now, you own the remastered episodes with the new FX on DVD, right? Okay, imagine the series looking just as clear and bright and good as that, but with the original 1960s special FX, not the new CGI FX. That's what was never released on DVD, and that's what you get on bluray. It's still remastered, just with the old FX instead of the new. "Remastered" has nothing to do with "new FX."
Ah, I see.

Then I guess I've never seen what you are talking about. A friend of mine owns the Blue Rays, and he made a point of telling me that they are the same as the two DVD versions I have. Plus he demonstrated one of the episodes for me, and the Blue rays DO in fact look like what I have.

I guess this is where I got confused...
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Old July 9 2013, 04:53 PM   #25
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

The Blu-ray's are far crisper looking with better color and sound, even when playing the episodes with the original effects.

It's not even a contest.
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Old July 9 2013, 06:21 PM   #26
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Re: Are the bluray's the versions where you can choose...

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Yes they are. The original NBC broadcasts were released on DVD in 2004.
I know you meant the effects sequences, but to be accurate, the original NBC broadcast versions have never been released on DVD. The sound mix has been screwed with since they were put out in 1999. Music changes and new sound effects are all over the prints and are still on the Blu-Ray release. The closest we got to original NBC broadcasts were the VHS/Laserdisc releases. But even those had alterations, such as the opening and closing credits in the first part of the first season and the syndicated versions of the Next Week previews.


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I finally found what I was looking for ... I actually started the thread myself back then, and one of the answers I got was this (emphasis mine):

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Yes, you can choose to only watch the episodes with the original effects. You can also choose to listen to the mono track with (for the most part) is about the same as the original sound mix as the originals.

However, there are a couple of episodes which incorrectly have the new opening credits, even when you choose to watch the original version. The rest of the episode is fine, just the credits got screwed with.

You can also listen to the original sound mix over the new effects, so you never have to listen to that re-recording ever, even if you're in the mood for the new footage.
Can anyone confirm or deny that thing about the opening credits?
Ooo, ooo, that was me! And yes, I can confirm it exists, but I'm not home to pin down the episode(s). The first season was where I noticed it, possibly Balance of Terror.

EDIT: I checked the Blu-Ray of Balance of Terror last night and in both the hi-fi and mono tracks in the original effects versions, the 2006 newly orchestrated theme is there. The old visuals are intact, but the music is the newer version. I didn't really have time to go through to find other episodes (I think there's at least one more), but I can confirm Balance of Terror.

The DVDs also restored the "created by Gene Roddenberry" credit to the open theme of The Man Trap and Charlie X, as seen originally in 1966. Gene's credits at the end of both episodes were amended to simply "producer" on those prints. The Blu-Ray episodes do not have those restorations. Another reason I prefer and will retain my DVDs of the series (which really look great).
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Old July 11 2013, 09:21 PM   #27
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Another question on the BR-set.... is The Cage included?
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Old July 11 2013, 09:23 PM   #28
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Yes, on the third season set, like on the DVDs. The original cut of Where No Man Has Gone Before is also on that same disc.
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Yes, on the third season set, like on the DVDs. The original cut of Where No Man Has Gone Before is also on that same disc.
Cool, thanks for the info!
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EDIT: I checked the Blu-Ray of Balance of Terror last night and in both the hi-fi and mono tracks in the original effects versions, the 2006 newly orchestrated theme is there. The old visuals are intact, but the music is the newer version. I didn't really have time to go through to find other episodes (I think there's at least one more), but I can confirm Balance of Terror.

The DVDs also restored the "created by Gene Roddenberry" credit to the open theme of The Man Trap and Charlie X, as seen originally in 1966. Gene's credits at the end of both episodes were amended to simply "producer" on those prints. The Blu-Ray episodes do not have those restorations. Another reason I prefer and will retain my DVDs of the series (which really look great).
Thanks for the info ... I guess I'll stick to my DVDs as well.
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