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Old July 7 2013, 11:03 PM   #16
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

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It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.
Then you must've really hated Bruce Maddox... he didn't even want to let Data into Starfleet.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:06 PM   #17
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His lack of emotions (in the episodes) is what gives him the likeable personality
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I think a big part is that he treats everyone with respect. He doesn't have prejudice or pride or anything.
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I also find his eagerness to learn and lack of guile quite charming.
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His childlike innocence and naïvety, combined with his massive strength and intelligence
I'd say all of the above is part of the phenomenon of Data's charm, but with specific regard to that last part. It's specifically that he is this awesome product of our genius. Super strength, speed, efficiency & intelligence. Perhaps the most impressive specimen of human ingenuity ever. He is all these amazing things which we love to see in sci-fi, & yet, he is endowed with an almost unequaled humility to anyone else in the cast. He knows exactly how much better he is than a human & in what ways, but in no way does he ever presume that he is anything but lesser & flawed

His humility is what makes him endearing. The old saying "Power corrupts" is true of humans & Data is more powerful than any human ever, but he manages to be just, honorable, loyal & humble regardless

The scene that comes to mind is in "The Offspring" when Data has stated his case & Picard has followed suit, but the response is that the Admiral still intends to take her. Picard actually has to stop Data from accepting defeat. Data is so gentle that he almost lets society trample him, & only through people wanting to protect him is he able to succeed in life, at times

In a way, though he is the strongest & toughest crew member. He is also the most fragile & easily taken advantage of
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Old July 7 2013, 11:28 PM   #18
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

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It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.
Indeed, that's the main reason why Pulaski didn't work...you couldn't lazily introduce a McCoy clone and get the same chemistry that you got between Spock and McCoy...Data was too inherently different from Spock.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:36 PM   #19
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Oh, time for an unpopular Star Trek opinion. I'm actually one of the very few fans that finds Data trying. I don't dislike him, but he's not even close to making my top 20 list of favorite Star Trek characters.

I guess for me, he's an interesting character, but I would find it difficult to have patience with him and his endless questions and such. He's also unintentionally funny which I guess for me isn't as humorous as say, Damar and Worf who are sarcastic and mean to be so.

Data's okay, but I don't get the obsession with him.
You have a kindred spirit here. I tolerate Data in small doses. I don't like him, and I don't get why Spiner the actor is considered so wonderful.

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He's not a jerk.
He doesn't judge.
He strives to improve himself.
He has a cat. I have a cat.
He has a cat that apparently had a sex change, and Data doesn't consider his cat sentient. No real cat lover thinks that.
What the heck are you talking about?
I didn't say anything about cats being sentient.
I didn't say anything about Spot's sex. Sheesh.
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Old July 8 2013, 12:50 AM   #20
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

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It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.
Indeed, that's the main reason why Pulaski didn't work...you couldn't lazily introduce a McCoy clone and get the same chemistry that you got between Spock and McCoy...Data was too inherently different from Spock.

except that was only her attitude toward him for like five episodes or so. Further into season 2, she's much nicer to him.
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Old July 8 2013, 02:45 AM   #21
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

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It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.
Indeed, that's the main reason why Pulaski didn't work...you couldn't lazily introduce a McCoy clone and get the same chemistry that you got between Spock and McCoy...Data was too inherently different from Spock.

except that was only her attitude toward him for like five episodes or so. Further into season 2, she's much nicer to him.
People say that but I never noticed it. She was definitely ripping into him during Peak Performance, the second to last episode of the season.
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Old July 8 2013, 02:49 AM   #22
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It's very jarring whenever a character like Pulaski is mean to Data. Feels like someone kicking a puppy.
Indeed, that's the main reason why Pulaski didn't work...you couldn't lazily introduce a McCoy clone and get the same chemistry that you got between Spock and McCoy...Data was too inherently different from Spock.

except that was only her attitude toward him for like five episodes or so. Further into season 2, she's much nicer to him.
By that point, the damage had been more than done. IMO, the character never recovered from consistently-bad first through fifth impressions.

And the whole McCoy clone package went beyond that with the transporter aversion, amongst other touches. It was insulting in my view...they crossed the line between "homage" and "blatant, mindlessly-inappropriate rip-off". Diana Muldaur could have been a good character on the show, if they'd given her a character of her own to play....
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Old July 8 2013, 03:09 AM   #23
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

I suppose his innocence. Also TNG for me seems a little bit serious most of the time and Data serves as some comic relief.

He is easily my favorite TNG character.
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Old July 8 2013, 10:27 AM   #24
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Indeed, that's the main reason why Pulaski didn't work...you couldn't lazily introduce a McCoy clone and get the same chemistry that you got between Spock and McCoy...Data was too inherently different from Spock.

except that was only her attitude toward him for like five episodes or so. Further into season 2, she's much nicer to him.
By that point, the damage had been more than done. IMO, the character never recovered from consistently-bad first through fifth impressions.

And the whole McCoy clone package went beyond that with the transporter aversion, amongst other touches. It was insulting in my view...they crossed the line between "homage" and "blatant, mindlessly-inappropriate rip-off". Diana Muldaur could have been a good character on the show, if they'd given her a character of her own to play....
I respecfully disagree. In my view Pulaski worked extremely well as a character and Diana Muldaur did an excellent job in the role. It was great to finally have a female character who wasn't just a pretty face and it was also nice to finally have a character who had a serious flaw. She was predjudiced and that offered some nice typically human conflict. Also her objection to Data was understandable in a way. I'm sure there are many people who would have severe difficulty in accepting a machine as a person. She was also a character that showed a lot of growth for the brief screen time that she had and given more time I think she and Data would have become best pals and they might indeed have worked out some kind of Spock-McCoy dynamic. After all Data might be charming and innocent but that doesn't mean he is beyond criticism. To me it was a great loss to the show when Diana Muldaur left. Also McCoy was a great and loved character with a lot of rough edges. Basing a role on him was by no means a bad idea. Crusher/McFadden by crontrast was just bland and generic. After 6 seasons of her she still seemed exactly the same character as in the first episode - annoying and boring with too much of a high opinion about herself.
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Old July 10 2013, 11:52 PM   #25
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Because he's just awesome....
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Old July 11 2013, 12:14 AM   #26
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Data is the king of nerds, so that's why...
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Old July 11 2013, 12:14 AM   #27
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I'm currently watching "The Offspring" and was thinking about the question: what makes Data so likeable as a person?

What are your thoughts and reasons for liking Data?
I guess I'm the odd man out as I found Data to be the second most annoying character on TNG -- after Counselor Deanna Troi and her many cries of "I feel great pain/joy/anger/sadness"... etc, usually AFTER it was plainly obvious to everyone else that the being in question had such feelings (IE 'sense great anger' AFTER the 1701-D had been fired on.)

I also found it annoying that some writers would reset Data (IE he'd be confused or say something inappropriate the same way he had in a previous episode, etc. as if he had learned nothing new about human behavior at times.)
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Old July 11 2013, 01:35 AM   #28
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^ Those are good points. I wonder, how much of morality is made up of logic and emotion? Said another way, what is a 100% moral decision? Is it one which is purely logical, purely non-emotional, some combination of the two, or based upon other factors?
A 100% moral decision, IMO, is one that strives to do the right thing in any given situation.

What is that right thing? Deciding by emotion alone leaves out the consequences of one's choice. Do the right thing, as long as it feels good, without taking into account how it effects others.

A moral choice based on logic alone does the opposite; it totally disregards the human factor. Looking at the situation, analyzing it, then deciding on a moral choice based on that loses humanity.

I think a true moral decision needs both logic and emotion.
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Old July 11 2013, 02:08 AM   #29
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Re: Why is Data so likeable?

Tasha Yar said it best: " My friend Data. You see things with the wonder of a child. And that makes you more human than any of us"
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Old July 11 2013, 03:33 AM   #30
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Why is Abed so likable?

Data, for his lack of intuitive understanding of the human condition, had a clarity of purpose and perspective that emotional creatures lack. He is a flattering mirror, he makes us see a noble, uncomplicated version of ourselves.

To answer the question about morality, morality is logic applied to emotion.
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