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Old July 7 2013, 10:27 PM   #2656
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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the massive overseas gain was expected...
That's crazy.
No, just self-serving denial.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:37 PM   #2657
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STiD was much more of a huge fan service to TOS trek fans thereby alienating new fans...The box office is proof of that.
Ummm, how come it didn't "alienate" overseas fans - nor overseas members of the general public?

"Fan service" only affected US fans?

Perhaps they were just angry and jealous that the movie opened OS first?
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Old July 7 2013, 10:39 PM   #2658
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

serenitytrek1 wrote:
people saw STiD once and ran back to watch WOK on their DVD's.
Any actual proof or are you making things up again?
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Old July 7 2013, 10:46 PM   #2659
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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guys please read this article from Entertainment Weekly, one of the most trusted entertainment sites ever
For me that's pretty much an oxymoron.

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trek did not make the list. which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment.
Nope, it means it didn't make the personal list of one reviewer, who admits his selection is arbitrary and up for discussion. There's nothing wrong with that since discussion is his job, he's not laying claim to ultimate truth.

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STiD was much more of a huge fan service to TOS trek fans thereby alienating new fans...The box office is proof of that.
I didn't alienate me, quite the contrary. If anything I've seen more old fans dislike it because of what they see as dissing TOK. I don't understand how a completely new fan would even recognise old fan service without watching old time Trek.

Box office numbers are driven mostly by non fans, since there are so many more of them. Most non fans I know liked it, those that didn't either thought it was too slow (young men), sexist (young women) or confusing (the middle aged). However my sample size is 1-3 people in each group so that means nothing.

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Laugh all you want. However what they said is the solid truth. it is left for the wise to humble themselves and listen instead of making a joke out of the truth that remains unchangeable.
Everything dies = solid truth.

Any expert's guess at what exactly drives the masses = guess.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:47 PM   #2660
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However what they said is the solid truth.
Nope. You're entirely wrong.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:48 PM   #2661
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the massive overseas gain was expected...
That's crazy.
No, just self-serving denial.
No its not self denial. check out all this films,


The dark knight


Spiderman 2


Shrek 2

Pirates of the Caribbean: dead man's chest.


Transformers 2

Matrix 2

X-Men 2

All this films, I mentioned all performed better overseas in comparison to their original films.

Majority of the time it happens. Point is this, Paramount wanted a huge increase from ST09 both in the USA and foreign Box office. Sadly it didn't happen in USA.

That is all I am saying. I don't get the ridicule.

I see once again I am the one single voice. look fellow trek fans, I get the loyalty and always trying to put a positive spin on STiD box office. however we need to face the facts for once.

STiD underperformed in the USA in comparison to ST09..Why is this even a debate.
ST 09 =257m (NO 3D)...Adjusted for inflation 274m

STiD 2012 = 224m (3D)


STid would not even have beaten Wrath of Khan if you take away the 3D ticket sales.

WOK would have made 213m in USA if the film came out in 2012.

STiD without 3D sits at 180m-190m


Its the solid truth...all this are facts ...it is as truthful as saying the earth is round.



http://boxofficemojo.com/search/?q=star%20trek

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Old July 7 2013, 10:52 PM   #2662
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Spider-Man 2 made a little less than Spider-Man overseas actually.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:53 PM   #2663
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STiD underperformed in the USA in comparison to ST09..Why is this even a debate.
STiD overperformed abroad in comparison to ST09..Why is this even a debate.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:55 PM   #2664
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Of course you don't.

The big winner in many respects so far this year is Furious 6 - it's third of the top five biggest films domestically, but had by far the lowest budget.

Into Darkness rounds out the top five most successful domestic releases of 2013. Three of the four films ahead of it have significantly higher supposed budgets.
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Old July 7 2013, 10:57 PM   #2665
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STiD underperformed in the USA in comparison to ST09..Why is this even a debate.
Do you work for Paramount or Bad Robot?
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Old July 7 2013, 10:59 PM   #2666
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I see once again I am the one single voice.
Ummmm, yep.

Watch the domestic sales of the STiD Blu-Ray hit the roof. "Nemesis" was an underperformer in the US box office, too. Then its DVD set sales records on its first weekend of US release. Maybe all those angry fans who blackbanned the premiere?
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Old July 7 2013, 11:01 PM   #2667
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I see once again I am the one single voice.
Ummmm, yep.

Watch the domestic sales of the STiD Blu-Ray hit the roof. "Nemesis" was an underperformer in the US box office, too. Then it set sales records on its first weekend of US release. Maybe all those angry fans who blackbanned the premiere?
I posted a link to an article a couple weeks ago that showed Into Darkness Blu-ray held the #1 and #2 spots on Amazons pre-order list. Something they say rarely happens.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:07 PM   #2668
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I posted a link to an article a couple weeks ago that showed Into Darkness Blu-ray held the #1 and #2 spots on Amazons pre-order list. Something they say rarely happens.
Tee hee.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:15 PM   #2669
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After the recent "100 Greatest of All-Time" issue, I don't know how anyone can take anything Entertainment Weekly prints seriously.
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Old July 7 2013, 11:33 PM   #2670
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I see once again I am the one single voice.
The popular expression once used to describe this was "everyone is out of step but Johnny."
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