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Old July 7 2013, 08:25 PM   #2641
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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one of the most trusted entertainment sites ever
trek did not make the list. which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment


what not a joke

Laugh all you want. However what they said is the solid truth. it is left for the wise to humble themselves and listen instead of making a joke out of the truth that remains unchangeable.

Before Trek came out. another trusted entertainment site box office mojo said if STiD doesn't earn up to 250m in USA it would be a disappointment. Sadly, STiD has not done that.

Are you going to laugh at box office mojo as well?

oh well....
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Old July 7 2013, 08:35 PM   #2642
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one of the most trusted entertainment sites ever
trek did not make the list. which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment


what not a joke

Laugh all you want. However what they said is the solid truth. it is left for the wise to humble themselves and listen instead of making a joke out of the truth that remains unchangeable.

Before Trek came out. another trusted entertainment site box office mojo said if STiD doesn't earn up to 250m in USA it would be a disappointment. Sadly, STiD has not done that.

Are you going to laugh at box office mojo as well?

oh well....
I'm pretty certain most studios would LOVE to have $450m+ "disappointments" akin to STID.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:35 PM   #2643
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

STID made more than ST09. There will be another movie. That's all I really care about on the silver screen front, anyway...
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Old July 7 2013, 08:43 PM   #2644
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I'm feeling the need for some good old Picard facepalming right now.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:15 PM   #2645
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Well STID lack of inclusion could simply mean it performed along or under expectations in it's domestic market. If you look at the perfomrance of the ST films outside of ENglish speaking countries they have performed badly.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:21 PM   #2646
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

serenitytrek1 wrote: View Post
guys please read this article from Entertainment Weekly, one of the most trusted entertainment sites ever

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/07/0...ormances-2013/


trek did not make the list. which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment. I think it is time for us to face reality and look to the future. I hope next time the producers of trek 3 would not listen to a loud minority of trek fans who are demanding that Trek goes back to TOS Mode.

I am not disrespecting TOS. TOS was great of its time. The series is a classic and it even made EW 100 greatest TV shows of all time.

However TOS is now of the past , what made trek 09 a huge success was because it was bold, fresh , unapologetic and daring. Even with its flaws it is without a doubt an outstanding film.

STiD was much more of a huge fan service to TOS trek fans thereby alienating new fans...The box office is proof of that.

STiD is still a huge success but it was not as successful as the studios intended. world wide the film needs to do 500m for it to be a success without question. Sadly it wont get there.

STiD should have done 270m+ in USA and 500m Worldwide.
The title of the article is "The 15 Most IMPRESSIVE box office performances."

Identity Thief, for example, is one of the worst movies ever made, and it still managed to rake-in $135m. That pretty fucking impressive.

Star Trek did what people expected it to do.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:21 PM   #2647
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This bit
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which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment.
and this bit
STiD is still a huge success
Are completely incompatible.
but it was not as successful as the studios intended.
You mean "hoped". They're still gonna make a big profit and there will be a third movie. What more could a fan want? EVERY movie wishes it could pull Dark Knight/Avengers numbers. That doesn't mean every movie that doesn't is a disappointment. There is quite a leap between making a profit and taking over the world.
STiD was much more of a huge fan service to TOS trek fans thereby alienating new fans...The box office is proof of that.
You mean the *massive* overseas gains over the last movie? Alienating new fans?
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Old July 7 2013, 09:28 PM   #2648
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The thing about The Dark Knight is that nobody there hoped to make a billion with it. Batman Begins was a modest success, and they expected TDK to perform the same. It's just the hype around Ledger's death AND that the film was surprisingly well done that it made those huge numbers. But the point is that they never intended to make that HUGE box office smash hit, they just intended to make a good film. And if you ask me, it shows.

nuTrek Into Darkness was intended to make big bucks first, by copying elements from all successful films coming before it. They wanted to expand the foreign market, so they put London in it and advertised the hell out of that. They wanted TDK and Avengers numbers, so they tried to cash in on that now rather stereotypical super villain with a twisted plan story, and went all out trying to sell this as this DARK film. And they even included the glass prison from Avengers and a forced version of the hero to villain dialog from TDK. And they looked back at what Trek film was the most popular, and ripped that off as much as they could.

STD just feels pretty much in your face to me in that regard.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:33 PM   #2649
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

serenitytrek1 wrote: View Post
guys please read this article from Entertainment Weekly, one of the most trusted entertainment sites ever

http://insidemovies.ew.com/2013/07/0...ormances-2013/


trek did not make the list. which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment.
No, what it means (and the only thing it means) is that Star Trek Into Darkness wasn't given a spot on a 15-slot list which the list's own writer acknowledges is highly subjective and "totally-up-for-debate".
EW article wrote:
We’re officially halfway through 2013, and if you’re an obsessive box office junkie like me, that means it’s time to reflect back on the past six months at the movies and give credit to some of the best box office performances so far this year.

By “best,” I don’t simply mean “highest grossing” — you can find that list here – I mean most impressive. Since each movie has its own budget, its own marketing costs, and its own distribution challenges, each movie also has its own standard for success. I like to judge films on their own rubrics — so I have!

This year, there were a lot of close calls. Films like Oz The Great and Powerful and This is the End were this close to making the list (A Good Day to Die Hard and Jack the Giant Slayer, meanwhile, were not), but not everything could make the cut. Thus, here is my totally-up-for-debate list of the 15 Most Impressive Box Office Performances of 2013 so far. (Shown in order of highest-to-lowest grossing)
[Aside: I hadn't read anything at EW for a while, but it seems they're now in direct competition with the Huffington Post in the "let's see how much unnecessary pop-up clutter we can jam onto each page" sweepstakes. I used to find their online presentation pretty easy-to-read, but now - holy crap, what an annoying mess of a "trusted entertainment website" they've become.]


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Laugh all you want. However what they said is the solid truth.
No.

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it is left for the wise to humble themselves and listen instead of making a joke out of the truth that remains unchangeable.

Before Trek came out. another trusted entertainment site box office mojo said if STiD doesn't earn up to 250m in USA it would be a disappointment. Sadly, STiD has not done that.

Are you going to laugh at box office mojo as well?

oh well....
Of course, you've neglected to provide a link to where BoxOfficeMojo is supposed to have said this, but if you follow the link in the EW excerpt above, you'll see that BOM shows Iron Man 3 with a clear lead, Man of Steel next, and then F&F6, Oz, and STID all grouped pretty close together in the 3-4-5 spots, and not that far from the $250-mil domestic milepost. I wouldn't be surprised to see two of the three reach that before their runs end.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:33 PM   #2650
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Re: STID "tracking" for $85-90 million opening [U.S. box office]

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The thing about The Dark Knight is that nobody there hoped to make a billion with it. Batman Begins was a modest success, and they expected TDK to perform the same. It's just the hype around Ledger's death AND that the film was surprisingly well done that it made those huge numbers. But the point is that they never intended to make that HUGE box office smash hit, they just intended to make a good film. And if you ask me, it shows.

nuTrek Into Darkness was intended to make big bucks first, by copying elements from all successful films coming before it. They wanted to expand the foreign market, so they put London in it and advertised the hell out of that. They wanted TDK and Avengers numbers, so they tried to cash in on that now rather stereotypical super villain with a twisted plan story, and went all out trying to sell this as this DARK film. And they even included the glass prison from Avengers and a forced version of the hero to villain dialog from TDK. And they looked back at what Trek film was the most popular, and ripped that off as much as they could.

STD just feels pretty much in your face to me in that regard.
Funny, I thought Star Trek did transparent cell walls long before the Avengers.

Also, big planet destroyers not new.

Neither is hero talking to the villain.

Nor homages.

Really, nothing in this post is an accurate representation of reality.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:42 PM   #2651
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...and then F&F6, Oz, and STID all grouped pretty close together in the 3-4-5 spots, and not that far from the $250-mil domestic milepost. I wouldn't be surprised to see two of the three reach that before their runs end.
There's not enough juice left in the tank for any of those three to reach $250 million domestic.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:57 PM   #2652
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This bit
serenitytrek1 wrote: View Post
which means to an extent it has been a box office disappointment.
and this bit
STiD is still a huge success
Are completely incompatible.
but it was not as successful as the studios intended.
You mean "hoped". They're still gonna make a big profit and there will be a third movie. What more could a fan want? EVERY movie wishes it could pull Dark Knight/Avengers numbers. That doesn't mean every movie that doesn't is a disappointment. There is quite a leap between making a profit and taking over the world.
STiD was much more of a huge fan service to TOS trek fans thereby alienating new fans...The box office is proof of that.
You mean the *massive* overseas gains over the last movie? Alienating new fans?

the massive overseas gain was expected as the film was promoted well overseas and mots people saw STiD overseas due to BC's popularity and it been the sequel to another Hollywood action film.

the domestic box office is were the real problem is and it fell a little short.

My gosh why is that so hard to admit, I don't like getting into arguments with people that choose to be in self denial especially when the truth is right in front of them.

EW and Box Office Mojo are simply doing their jobs when they give an in depth analysis of a movie earnings at the box office.

there is nothing funny about it.

If you look at EW list you would notice that sequels like fast and furious 6 and iron man 3 both made the list. STiD did not in other words the film earnings was a bit disappointing.

Also, something can be great and still be a slight disappointment.

STiD is far far from a flop, it did good at the box office but not GREAT. Taking into consideration the 3D prices.

If STiD did not have 3D, the movie would have finished somewhere between 180m-190m in USA. That is a disappointment when you take into account ST 09 257M earnings (without 3D)


Also again, may I add that the majority of trek fans are from USA, Trek never really had a huge following overseas ...expect maybe for the United Kingdom.

there is a reason why most Trek films did not even have any box office overseas record until now.

Lastly for people saying STiD had huge competition from iron man 3, the hang over and F&f 6. I would say this.

In may 2007. Spiderman 3, Shrek 3 and Pirates of the Caribbean :At Worlds End, all came out in the month of May and yet their box office earnings were close. All 3 films did a little above 300m in USA and all 3 films earned more than 700m dollars each world wide.

there is really not enough excuses for trek, yes there was competition but part of this film box office little failure was the fact that the film lacked originality and it was much more of a fan service.

people saw STiD once and ran back to watch WOK on their DVD's.

people saw ST09 over and over again because it was new, bold and original and had nothing to compare too.

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Old July 7 2013, 10:07 PM   #2653
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Old July 7 2013, 10:14 PM   #2654
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the massive overseas gain was expected...
That's crazy.
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The only ones who know with any certainty whether Star Trek Into Darkness over-performed, under-performed or hit its target are the folks at Paramount and Bad Robot.

Everyone else is guessing.
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