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Old July 7 2013, 01:15 AM   #256
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Don't most religons teach tolerance and understanding?
Yes, of people who practice that religion.
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Old July 7 2013, 06:35 AM   #257
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It's hard to know which way to turn when, one side says it has infallible truth and the other has scientific proof, isn't it?
It's a scary thought, that Moses and his buddies were not able to saddle up that Stegosaurus. I dig their museums though, saving the T-rex by shoving him on Noah's arc, a really nice well-executed theme park for religious radicals
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Old July 7 2013, 06:47 AM   #258
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Don't most religons teach tolerance and understanding?
Yes, of people who practice that religion.
I figure a good person will continue to be good, with or without religion, though some religions can confuse that person into thinking something detrimental is actually "good." On the other hand, I think an asshole is going to be an asshole, regardless of what religion he or she follows, because being an asshole is a religion in its own right. I know plenty of atheists, for example, who would make Jesus proud with how they reach out to the poor, the sick, and the lonely. I also know a number of Christians who would make him weep with how they treat the disadvantaged. I have serious respect for Jesus. I have somewhat less respect for those who say they work in his name, and spread nothing but fear, ignorance, and hatefulness.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:07 AM   #259
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Mostly it seems like they're afraid if they admit one thing in their magic book is wrong then their whole house of cards will come falling down.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:17 AM   #260
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Mostly it seems like they're afraid if they admit one thing in their magic book is wrong then their whole house of cards will come falling down.
Literalists treat it that way because they proclaim it a perfect book breathed from God's own lips. That's why there will never be anything wrong with the book, only purportedly wrong conclusions made by anyone who disagrees.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:39 AM   #261
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Mostly it seems like they're afraid if they admit one thing in their magic book is wrong then their whole house of cards will come falling down.
Literalists treat it that way because they proclaim it a perfect book breathed from God's own lips. That's why there will never be anything wrong with the book, only purportedly wrong conclusions made by anyone who disagrees.
I'm just gonna feel really bad for them in the event that there is a real afterlife that doesn't fit in with their expectations.
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Old July 7 2013, 09:20 AM   #262
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I'm just gonna feel really bad for them in the event that there is a real afterlife that doesn't fit in with their expectations.
You've heard the old joke, I'm sure (I spruced it up a bit though):

One day, a group of people arrived at the Gates of Heaven, where Saint Peter was standing, waiting to greet them.

"Hello!" he said, "and welcome to Heaven."

Many of them were looking around in shock and surprise, and so Saint Peter asked the one nearest him.

"Is there something wrong?"

The woman looked around and back at him and said, "I don't know why I'm here, Saint Peter. I was an atheist back on earth."

Another person, a man, called out "I was a Buddhist!" and another one, "I was gay!"

Saint Peter looked at all of them and smiled, saying, "Don't you know how much God loves you? What you did wasn't wrong in his eyes, because you loved your neighbor, and you were kind to your fellow man. You're here because you let love guide your heart, and not layer upon layer of legalism and finger pointing. Now, follow me, and I'll give you the tour."

So they entered the pearly gates as Saint Peter showed them around. There were many wonders in heaven; beautiful skies, lush grass, ancient trees, crystal clear lakes and streams, and palatial homes everywhere! Near the end of the tour, however, they passed a large tent, and inside they could hear angry shouting, and preaching the likes of which they'd never heard.

One of the people near the tent asked Saint Peter, "Who is inside this tent, Saint Peter?"

Saint Peter, a half grin on his face said, "Those are the Biblical literalists. They think they're the only ones here."
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Old July 7 2013, 11:33 AM   #263
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For one thing, they don't want Humans to be "descended from monkeys" (as they like to put it). For another thing, teaching evolution (and science in general) in schools is seen as a threat to their historic use of the school system for indoctrination.
You know, for non-Americans, this is so strange. I went to school in the UK, in Brazil, in Germany and in South Africa, and never once was I even aware of "creationism" before I went to the USA. No-one in Europe, South Africa or Brazil would ever think of contesting evolution (as far as I can tell, of course), because, as Sheldon Cooper puts it, it's not an opinion, it's a fact.

It irks me how "Christians" MUST be bigoted people who believe in this creationism stuff, are against gay rights or a woman's right to terminate a pregnancy - this is the vibe you get on Facebook, anyhow, from virulent atheists. That believers are stupid people who believe in an Old Testament God.

On the other hand, a lot of religious people calling themselves Christians rely too heavily on the Old Testament, when really, that's just sort of a historic chronicle, and not a means of justifying hatred against those who are different from you. The Christian bit of the Bible is actually that one pertaining to Christ. Just saying.

I'm a Catholic, I believe in God, I believe in evolution (because it's a FACT), I support gay rights, emancipation, peace and love and tolerance...you know, that stuff Jesus Christ preached, back in the day. When has Jesus ever said anything about discriminating gay people, prohibiting abortions, forcing your theory of how life came to be down people's throats? He didn't. What he did say was that before finding flaw with the others, do yourself a favour and find yours, first. Leave each other alone. Be nice. Be TOLERANT. Treat others the way you want to be treated, which includes their belief system.

Neither evolution, nor opinions contrary to mine threaten me, my way of life, or anything / anyone else. Claiming that is just plain idiotic. And utterly baffling.
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Old July 7 2013, 12:01 PM   #264
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

J., I got one, too.


The Pope arrives in heaven, where St. Peter awaites him. St. Peter asks who he is.

The Pope: "I am the pope."

St. Peter: "Who? There's no such name in my book."

The Pope: "I'm the representative of God on Earth."

St.Peter: "Does God have a representative? He didn't tell me ..."

The Pope: "But I am the leader of the Catholic Church ..."

St. Peter: "The Catholic church ... Never heard of it ... Wait, I'll check with the boss."

St. Peter walks away through Heaven's Gate to talk with God.

St. Peter: "There's a dude standing outside who claims he's your representative on earth."

God: "I don't have a representative on earth, not that I know of ... Wait, I'll ask Jesus." (yells for Jesus)

Jesus: "Yes father, what's up?"

God and St. Peter explain the situation.

Jesus: "Wait, I'll go outside and have a little chat with that fellow."

Ten minutes pass and Jesus reenters the room laughing out loud. After a few minutes St. Peter asks Jesus why he's laughing.

Jesus: "Remember that fishing club I've started 2000 years ago? It still exists!"
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Old July 7 2013, 03:10 PM   #265
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One day, a group of people arrived at the Gates of Heaven.............
Good one!
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Old July 7 2013, 05:34 PM   #266
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A perfect post!
Thank you. You know, I put some thought into this, because it's an interesting subject, but I don't mean to offend anyone, so I tread carefully.

Thing is, tolerance might be something most religions preach, but many believers don't grasp the implications of the concept: you're supposed to accept that every and all other opinions are just as valuable as your own. If everyone just kept out of everyone else's business and simply restricted themselves to doing no harm, the world would be a much, much better place, wouldn't it?
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Old July 7 2013, 10:16 PM   #267
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I figure a good person will continue to be good, with or without religion, though some religions can confuse that person into thinking something detrimental is actually "good." On the other hand, I think an asshole is going to be an asshole, regardless of what religion he or she follows, because being an asshole is a religion in its own right.
To quote Steven Weinberg:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
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Old July 8 2013, 12:15 AM   #268
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To quote Steven Weinberg:

[quote wrote:

"With or without religion, you would have good people doing good things and evil people doing evil things. But for good people to do evil things, that takes religion."
This makes no sense. The second sentence contradicts the first.
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Old July 8 2013, 12:21 AM   #269
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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[/QUOTE wrote:


This makes no sense. The second sentence contradicts the first.
No it doesn't. Follow with me as I explain the expression:

Without religion:
Good person will still do good things
Evil person will still do evil things

With religion:
Good person will still do good things
Good person will justify doing evil things
Evil person will still do evil things
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Old July 8 2013, 12:25 AM   #270
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This makes no sense. The second sentence contradicts the first.
No it doesn't. Follow with me as I explain the expression:

Without religion:
Good person will still do good things
Evil person will still do evil things

With religion:
Good person will still do good things
Good person will justify doing evil things
Evil person will still do evil things
Still contradicts and is idiotic.

It is similar to:

I never say anything that is true.
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