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Old July 7 2013, 03:14 AM   #31
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Not to mention the premise of the episode makes no sense. No one bothered to check in on this colony... ever?
Star travel wasn't easy before the Warp 5 engine. It would've taken months to get there, and with no certainty of what they'd find, maybe it wasn't deemed worth the risk. Although I suppose they could've asked the Vulcans to find out.


It's easier to go under ground and live there than to just... walk away?
Spending too much time above ground would kill them. A large portion of the planet was irradiated. They couldn't have walked far enough before they succumbed to the radiation. Remember, they had to be transplanted to a whole other continent on the other side of the planet. Not exactly within walking distance.
A probe would seem a reasonable alternative to at least find out what happened. Even if for some reason it wasn't, you'd think a responsible government would still send a ship to find out what happened to their own people even if it wasn't easy. Especially after the quasi declarations of independence and a time period of over 50 years. Seems to me the more likely explanation was wanted a mystery even if it didn't really make sense.

As for the radiation of the colony I was under the impression the meteor just irradiated the general area. Granted it's been awhile since I watched the episode, but I don't recall them saying the whole continent had been poisoned. I'm not a science expert, but I don't see how a meteor strike could do that to a whole half of a planet short of being big enough to virtually destroy all life on the planet. But Trek often is guilty of interchanging science for magic to suit plot needs.

If other people like it, more power to you. It just always seemed force drama to no end for me.
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Old July 7 2013, 03:19 AM   #32
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I can't understand why people hate Terra Nova. I thought it was interesting and touching. I liked seeing a failed colony years later and why.
It's kind of a 'meh' episode. It's not terrible, but nothing really distinguishes it either.
It was one of my favorites of a season of meh episodes
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Old July 7 2013, 03:26 AM   #33
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I can't understand why people hate Terra Nova. I thought it was interesting and touching. I liked seeing a failed colony years later and why.
It's kind of a 'meh' episode. It's not terrible, but nothing really distinguishes it either.
It was one of my favorites of a season of meh episodes
Strange New World and Fusion here.
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Old July 7 2013, 03:36 AM   #34
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It's kind of a 'meh' episode. It's not terrible, but nothing really distinguishes it either.
It was one of my favorites of a season of meh episodes
Strange New World and Fusion here.
Breaking the Ice and Two Days and Two Nights are my two mostly meh episodes I just like for some reason.
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Old July 7 2013, 03:41 AM   #35
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As for the radiation of the colony I was under the impression the meteor just irradiated the general area. Granted it's been awhile since I watched the episode, but I don't recall them saying the whole continent had been poisoned.
Didn't have to be. The radiation immediately after the impact could've been enough to cause acute radiation syndrome within hours, maybe a day or so. How far can you walk in a day? Maybe 30 miles or so? Less if you're getting sicker from radiation the longer you walk. So it wouldn't have needed to affect a huge area -- just a few dozen miles across.
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Old July 7 2013, 05:21 AM   #36
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I can't understand why people hate Terra Nova. I thought it was interesting and touching. I liked seeing a failed colony years later and why.
I remember that a lot of the dislike towards Terra Nova came from it being too similiar to the Voyager episode Friendship One.
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That's a bit of a stretch IMO (the similarity).
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Old July 7 2013, 08:30 AM   #38
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Yeah but you know some fans...if an episode plot is similiar in any way to another than they make a mountain out of a molehill.
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Old July 7 2013, 02:58 PM   #39
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If it's a question of excessive similarity, you'd think they'd be focusing on "Oasis," which is basically a rehash of DS9's "Shadowplay" right down to having Rene Auberjonois. Or "Doctor's Orders," which is a rehash of VGR's "One."
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Old July 7 2013, 06:16 PM   #40
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I can't understand why people hate Terra Nova. I thought it was interesting and touching. I liked seeing a failed colony years later and why.
I remember that a lot of the dislike towards Terra Nova came from it being too similiar to the Voyager episode Friendship One.
I guess the general themes are similar. I just remember Friendship One mostly for Carey's sudden and pointless death. But Enterprise did this quite often, revisting the franchises earlier episodes. In Oasis and and Doctor's orders as Christopher said. But Judgement also ripped of ST6 rather blatantly. 2 Day, 2 Nights is kinda like Captain's Holiday. And also E2 is one of the fan favorite episodes and is essentially a rip off of DS9's Children of Time. It's a mark against the episode, but doesn't necessarily disqualify it by itself.
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But Judgement also ripped of ST6 rather blatantly.
I don't think that's a fair assessment. It was drawing on the same worldbuilding, but it was another story about the Klingon court/penal system, so naturally there were some recurring ideas. The actual story it told was quite distinct. Maybe it did go a bit overboard on the TUC homage, but "ripped off" is an overstatement.


2 Day, 2 Nights is kinda like Captain's Holiday.
Now, that's really pushing it. The only thing they have in common is that they're both set on Risa, which had become an established, recurring setting in Trek by the time ENT came along.


And also E2 is one of the fan favorite episodes and is essentially a rip off of DS9's Children of Time.
Now, that's the one example you've offered that's actually valid.
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Old July 7 2013, 07:18 PM   #42
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I like Terra Nova. I think it's kind of interesting how the vocabulary was changing, just because the children growing up wouldn't have known the specific word they wanted. Reminded me of my kids when they were just-verbal; they'd make up conceptual words when they couldn't find the right noun.
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Old July 7 2013, 08:43 PM   #43
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I don't see how the true extent of radiation-polluted territory would have affected the decisions of the Terra Novans. For all they knew, the entire planet was polluted; certainly this would be the case if they were under attack by outside intellects (evil Earthlings), as those would not leave a way out for their victims. So, no attempt at walking out, ever.

As for checking out on Terra Nova, the problems would not be solely logistical. Quite possibly, Vulcans would count trips to Terra Nova as "deep space" sorties, and would deny permission from humans - going that far out would incur the wrath of Bug-Eyed Monsters and other things humans were not ready to confront yet. We know humans found colonization targets much closer to home eventually - first at Mars, then supposedly at places like Alpha Centauri - and those would both reduce human interest in the fate of Terra Nova and allow Vulcans to claim that no real curtailing of human spaceflight was being done.

Also remember that this was all covered in dialogue. The colonists themselves said they wanted no checking out; the Vulcans would have done it for Earth, but Earthlings knew better than to ask for something that carried an unknown price tag; and with these things given, the nine-year trip there and back simply wasn't worth the effort.

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Old July 8 2013, 10:10 PM   #44
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The original post-apocalypse Novan generation were young children, in this way the episode reminded me of Miri in that children grow up without the influence of adults and their perceptions of the world are different because of that.
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I wonder why the Novans use the word "shale" as an insult.
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