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The Next Generation All Good Things come to an end...but not here.

View Poll Results: What do you think of Riker?
He is amazing and respected. 24 45.28%
He is tolerable. 7 13.21%
He is just ok, but could be better 10 18.87%
He is a Jerk! 12 22.64%
Voters: 53. You may not vote on this poll

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Old July 3 2013, 02:54 PM   #16
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Re: William T. Riker - Character Assassination or Praise

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I can't vote 'cause there's no combo option. He's awesome and a jerk.
My feelings exactly. Oddly enough, I always had a bit of a crush on him in spite of his being a jerk on occasion.
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Old July 3 2013, 03:29 PM   #17
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He was pretty useless after The Best of Both Worlds. Probably would've been more fondly remembered if Frakes had left the show after the season four premiere.
I wouldn't say useless, because I like Riker, but his character growth was stunted after that.

I think a good "out" would have been introducing Thomas Riker, his transporter clone, earlier in the series, and either writing William Riker out of the show as finally getting a command and having him choose a ship over Troi, or killing William Riker off altogether, and have Thomas Riker "join" the cast.

Then you would still have Riker on the show, just a different version of the character, with more room for character development, the "second chance" for Troi to have a relationship with Riker would make sense, plus you wouldn't have the problem of someone who should be a captain, hanging around as "co-Captain" of the Enterprise.

Also, since Tom Riker was only a Lieutenant, we could have seen him grow as an officer, earn a promotion or two during the rest of the show and perhaps have a dynamic where Tom Riker is trying to live up to William Riker's Legacy (especially if he had been killed off) and maybe going out if his way to overcompensate and even trying to be a better officer than William Riker, and a better boyfriend to Troi.

Instead, they wasted Tom Riker on a one-off episode, where he steals the Defiant but doesn't get away with it and he presumably spends the rest of his life in a Cardassian penal colony.
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Old July 3 2013, 03:38 PM   #18
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Re: William T. Riker - Character Assassination or Praise

Riker had his moments but I do agree with the concensus that had he left after BoBW it would have been better.

After saving Earth, the centre of the Federation and Starfleet, gaining lots of recognition and presteige, he then takes a step back to being just a First Officer--it made no sense for the character. He should have taken a command of his own and been replaced with Shelby, she would have helped add a new look to the crew.

Riker could then pop up a few times throughout the remaining series whenever needed.
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Old July 3 2013, 05:21 PM   #19
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I think a good follow up to the BOBW would have been Riker (possibly during the episode "Family") interacting with Starfleet Command on Earth about a fulltime Captaincy. He could have had some emotional conversations with Troi. Maybe something to the effect of "I really found out something about myself during the Borg invasion. I know I'm ready now." Maybe have him struggle to tell Picard about it and have an emotional closing scene where they part ways in Picard's ready room.

Riker's character hit a brick wall as soon as the BOBW ended. He did not grow as a character anymore even with the ADM Pressman incident. I think Riker served best as a foil to the other characters for the remainder of the show; which is fine. He was a great interface to the rest of the cast.
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Old July 3 2013, 05:55 PM   #20
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Love Riker. One of my favorite characters.

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Old July 3 2013, 07:42 PM   #21
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I think a good "out" would have been introducing Thomas Riker, his transporter clone, earlier in the series, and either writing William Riker out of the show as finally getting a command and having him choose a ship over Troi, or killing William Riker off altogether, and have Thomas Riker "join" the cast.

Then you would still have Riker on the show, just a different version of the character, with more room for character development, the "second chance" for Troi to have a relationship with Riker would make sense, plus you wouldn't have the problem of someone who should be a captain, hanging around as "co-Captain" of the Enterprise.
Definitely would've been a great idea! Will became rather stale (or in Troi's words, "matured")--I mean, his approach became more "cautious," less career-oriented...predictable. There wasn't much that could be done with him anymore. Tom, on the other hand, would've brought more mystery, more options, more exploration that also would reflect on could've-been for Will. They did waste Tom.

As for jerk or not? I'd say he was cocky in the early seasons, but understandably so, I suppose, with youthful ambition/vigor. But later, it came across more as bitterness with himself (bitterness that extended to lack of tolerance for others not in his clique).
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Old July 3 2013, 08:40 PM   #22
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In the context of the plot of the week he was alright. Or at least I used to think so. Then I read the "diary of the holodeck janitor" and changed my mind (because the text fits so well with the canon).

edit: this: http://www.somethingawful.com/d/news...ipe-life-4.php
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Old July 4 2013, 12:55 AM   #23
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Riker was awesome.

Who else could walk into every room with that swagger, head cocked to the side, turn chest first and straddle his leg over a chair to sit better that Will Riker? Classic!
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Old July 4 2013, 05:48 AM   #24
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Yeah, Riker was cool. Only character flaw: he had no decency as far as putting his leg up on things and putting his crotch in people's faces. Plus, the way he mounted/dismounted a chair.


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Old July 6 2013, 11:22 AM   #25
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Riker had his moments but I do agree with the concensus that had he left after BoBW it would have been better.

After saving Earth, the centre of the Federation and Starfleet, gaining lots of recognition and presteige, he then takes a step back to being just a First Officer--it made no sense for the character. He should have taken a command of his own and been replaced with Shelby, she would have helped add a new look to the crew.

Riker could then pop up a few times throughout the remaining series whenever needed.
Who would seduce the chick of the week then Geordi?
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Old July 6 2013, 11:30 AM   #26
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A new first officer, the twin brother/ clone of Riker.
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Old July 6 2013, 11:48 AM   #27
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I think a good "out" would have been introducing Thomas Riker, his transporter clone, earlier in the series, and either writing William Riker out of the show as finally getting a command and having him choose a ship over Troi, or killing William Riker off altogether, and have Thomas Riker "join" the cast.

Then you would still have Riker on the show, just a different version of the character, with more room for character development, the "second chance" for Troi to have a relationship with Riker would make sense, plus you wouldn't have the problem of someone who should be a captain, hanging around as "co-Captain" of the Enterprise.
Definitely would've been a great idea! Will became rather stale (or in Troi's words, "matured")--I mean, his approach became more "cautious," less career-oriented...predictable. There wasn't much that could be done with him anymore. Tom, on the other hand, would've brought more mystery, more options, more exploration that also would reflect on could've-been for Will. They did waste Tom.

As for jerk or not? I'd say he was cocky in the early seasons, but understandably so, I suppose, with youthful ambition/vigor. But later, it came across more as bitterness with himself (bitterness that extended to lack of tolerance for others not in his clique).
I didn't think Riker was a jerk at all (well, except maybe to Troi, as I explain later). In fact, as a character, I liked him and glad he stayed on the show. That said, the problem is that Riker was INITIALLY portrayed as an ambitious, up and coming prodigy officer who was supposed to be on the fast track to Captain, and whom chose between career and Troi, prior to taking the assignment aboard the Enterprise. Then he stays on as first officer for 15 years for not one, but two Enterprises...nearly an entire career! Totally inconsistent with his character.

Now, it could be argued that he stayed, at least in part, because he was hoping to re-kindle something with Troi (which he did...just took him like 12 years to do it!), but pretty much all through the TNG series, he treated her like a doormat, and rubbed in her face his women of the week. So if he stayed for Troi, and unless they were swingers or something, it was written pretty inconsistently, and in-universe, was pretty sadistic of him.

This is why I am a fan of the idea that never will be, that Tom Riker should have replaced Will Riker in season 4. It literally, and no pun intended, was the best of both worlds: you could keep Riker AND Frakes on the show, yet do it in a way that could expand the character. After all, Tom Riker literally IS Will Riker. Also, with Will Riker gone, that would have automatically made Data First Officer, and it would make total sense to have Data as first officer indefinitely. Unlike Riker, Data would not have the ego to bruise or human ambition and could conceivably be content as First Officer for decades. After all, Data was supposed to be the longest serving starfleet officer aboard the Enterprise-D, after Picard, was he not?

One last thought: I could not stand Shelby! At all. Her ONLY purpose was to demonstrate that Riker had become too comfortable as First Officer and needed a fire lit under his ass and step up to the plate in BOBW. That's it. She was not intended as a replacement, and I think it ironic Riker gets a rep for being a jerk by all the Riker haters, yet Shelby gets all this love by some people for some reason. She was a total jerk...way worse and way more cocky than Riker ever was in his worst episode. Had she replaced Riker, I think it would have completely changed the dynamic of the cast and show...and not for the better.
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Old July 6 2013, 04:41 PM   #28
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Who would seduce the chick of the week then Geordi?
Shelby could still do that.
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Old July 6 2013, 05:26 PM   #29
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Who would seduce the chick of the week then Geordi?
Shelby could still do that.
HMMM that would have been interesting
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