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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Generations 24 19.05%
First Contact 7 5.56%
Insurrection 37 29.37%
Nemesis 58 46.03%
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Old June 28 2013, 07:49 PM   #31
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Generations, easily. I hated what they did to Kirk in that movie. I was never as attached to the TNG crew, so nothing Nemesis or Insurrection did to them upset me much (though they were certainly both mediocre movies). I still like First Contact.
Agree on all points stated.
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Old July 3 2013, 10:43 AM   #32
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Not for nothing was somebody able to come up with the Star Trek TNG Movie Plot Generator (http://www.impossiblefunky.com/tngpg.html).
Best link I've seen in quite a while.

My attempt:
Star Trek:Catfight

Written By:redrake

The film opens with some credits that make the audience's eyes hurt.

After the credits, we see cats in space. This confuses the audience to no end.

Next, we cut to the Enterprise. Throughout the movie, the ship interiors are filmed too dark to see things clearly. On the Enterprise, we see the TNG crew. They are bathing cats. During this scene, Picard complains about cat food.

There is an incoming hail, where Picard is instructed that Picard and the TNG crew must bring more cats to menagerie. Thus, beginning their mission.

When they arrive at this mission, Data loses Spot.

This scene abruptly switches to a scene involving catfights on Holodeck! This scene could have been very action-packed, but is very short, unfortunately.

Later on, Picard finally finds out that cats are evil, and thus the plot of the film finally begins.

As the crew work toward resolving this plot, a member of the TNG crew talks to Data, though this person doesn't really help anything.

Then, Catmandu, the film's obvious bad guy, is revealed. But Catmandu is not REALLY that bad, because this villian likes petting.

The crew then learns that Earth is in grave danger! They must come to the rescue!

While they are working on this rescue, Data sings 'Cats are nice.' The audience groans.

A little later, Worf kicks a cat. This ticks off many Worf fans in the audience.

Later on, Troi, who had nothing else to do in the film, pets a cat.

A little later, Riker dresses as a cat. The audience doesn't laugh, however.

Trying to resolve things, Picard and his Away Team beam down to the cat menagerie. Which looks almost cinematic, but not quite.

Crusher and Geordi do absolutely nothing for the duration of the film.

Soon, cats are irradiated. This seems verrrry familiar to the audience, for some reason...

Then, for no reason, someone in the film says 'catshit!' The audience pretends this is cool and edgy.

Finally, the crew discovers that Catmandu has a catoptricon! This makes the situation very dangerous!

In reaction to this, one of the crewmembers says 'cats ahead!' ...even though this makes no sense.

In their attempts to stop Catmandu, humans attack the invading cats. This looks really cool... but doesn't stop Catmandu.

Soon, Riker shoots at evil cats. But this doesn't help anything.

There is a final showdown in a nebula called Cat Tail. Almost defeated, Catmandu, in a fit of rage, attempts to activate his catoptricon! Time is running out, so Picard beams over and attempts to stop him.

Eventually, Picard violently and mercilessly kills Catmandu by throwing him to the good cats. Picard is almost killed in the process, but luckily Worf saves Picard at the last moment.

Later, Picard contemplates on what has happened. As a result of this mission, Picard has resolved his problems with cat food. Picard then gives a speech about cats.

The TNG crew then beams back to the Enterprise, which warps off into space.

The TNG theme plays on the soundtrack.

THE END
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Old July 3 2013, 12:16 PM   #33
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My least favorite is definitely Nemesis.

The TNG part of Generations feels like TNG season 8, which I like.
First Contact has a lot of action and not much story but I like it anyway
Insurrection really feels like a good (but not great) two part episode. Which isn't a bad thing. And I think all the movies are a lot better if you know the series. People who only watch the movies miss a lot of references and previous character development

But Nemesis... sigh. First of all they choose a director who only made two movies before. He is mainly an editor of action movies.
If you watch his comments on the deleted scenes you see, why the movie is bad: "Yeah, the scene was OK but it had no action in it." There are many good deleted scenes which all should have been in the movie. There really should be an extended cut.
What the movie's got is a lot of pointless action scenes: So they fly a shuttle to the planet, just to drive around in some kind of car? Strange. B4 was also a bad idea.
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Old July 3 2013, 01:37 PM   #34
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Nemesis is easily the worst TNG, and indeed, worst Trek movie. I guess technically, it's put together well enough, but it just feels so incredibly dull, flat and moribund - in my book, the cardinal sin any film can perpetrate!

Even the other weaker entries in the series minimally have some level of energy and vitality to them. Just watch Nemesis back to back with the much (over)maligned Final Frontier. For all its faults, TFF has a terrific sense of fun, movement and liveliness to it.
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Old July 3 2013, 03:02 PM   #35
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Tough call between Insurrection and Nemesis. I picked Insurrection because it just was plain boring, and this scene ruins the rest of the movie for me. I don't think I need to say anything else about Insurrection....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DyyjCn1ML3k


This doesn't mean Nemesis was any better. In fact, it was a poor way to end TNG, and the TNG\DS9\VOY era on film. The very idea of Shinzon was insulting to me. An insane, dying clone of Picard usurping the entire Romulan Empire? Really? Then he wants to destroy Earth for no reason? Lame. They could have had pretty much had the same movie, but substituted Shinzon for Sela, and it would have been 10 times better. OK, Sela isn't my favorite Romulan, but at least it would have made more sense to have Sela as the villain. After Q, and with the Duras sisters dead, Sela is the closest thing Picard had to a "nemesis" in TNG. And with it being the last TNG film, would have been a re-union of sorts to have Denise Crosby.


Also, the idea of having B-4, without a single reference to Lore, was stupid.



You know what? Change my vote to Nemesis, Please!

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Old July 3 2013, 04:16 PM   #36
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I picked Generations. I truly hated the weak plot that they made to pass the flag from Kirk to Picard. It basically had no real substance in it. Not to mention making purists hate the movie because it contradicted an earlier episode, Relics, in TNG.
The only redeeming quality was the destruction of Enterprise, as in my opinion, Galaxy class is the ugliest UFP ship around.

I also admit I only watched the second half of Insurection, so my vote might be a little biased.
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Old July 4 2013, 09:46 PM   #37
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well for me i choose least favourite is inserrcution cos alot of talk and some time i like the sing by picard and worf to challenge to data on big ships. so I like nemesis cos a lot of adventure on the film.

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Old July 5 2013, 08:36 PM   #38
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And why?

For me, it would be insurrection.

I just found it to be incredibly boring, I think most people will pick Nemesis but I found that to be at least mildly entertaining at times.

The only forgivable thing about Insurrection is the hot Trill who gives Riker the eyes.

Same here. Insurrection is easily the worst of the four. And for me, the only "forgivable" thing about that movie is Jerry Goldsmith's excellent score. I'm still waiting for the extended CD to come out.

I don't understand all the hate Nemesis gets either. It washed away the bad, bad, taste that Insurrection left in my mouth, so in that regard, it was a success. The only real bad thing about that film was Data's stupid, pointless death that did nothing to advance the plot in any way. But otherwise, it was fine.

Plus, it ALSO had an excellent Jerry Goldsmith score, for which I am also waiting for the extended CD.

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Old July 5 2013, 09:21 PM   #39
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The only redeeming quality was the destruction of Enterprise, as in my opinion, Galaxy class is the ugliest UFP ship around.
Funny, that was the only part of GENERATIONS I hated. That and the way they stupidly changed the lighting on the D sets. In my opinion, the Enterprise-E is the ugliest Starfleet ship around.

Oh well, to each their own, I guess.
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Old July 6 2013, 11:48 AM   #40
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Sela is the closest thing Picard had to a "nemesis" in TNG. And with it being the last TNG film, would have been a re-union of sorts to have Denise Crosby.
Or they could have used Tomalak, also an nemesis of Picard
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Sela is the closest thing Picard had to a "nemesis" in TNG. And with it being the last TNG film, would have been a re-union of sorts to have Denise Crosby.
Or they could have used Tomalak, also an nemesis of Picard
I would have totally been down for that. But Tomalak never seemed EVIL though. Just someone who was more a rival and adversary of Picard, than an out and out nemesis. I don't see Tomalak wanting to commit genocide. Rather, he seemed more like someone who wanted to beat Picard for the glory of besting a worthy adversary that he has a grudging respect for (whether he admits it or not).

Sela, however, just straight up hated Picard's guts and her own human half. I can see her wanting to destroy Earth.
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Sela is the closest thing Picard had to a "nemesis" in TNG. And with it being the last TNG film, would have been a re-union of sorts to have Denise Crosby.
Or they could have used Tomalak, also an nemesis of Picard
I would have totally been down for that. But Tomalak never seemed EVIL though. Just someone who was more a rival and adversary of Picard, than an out and out nemesis. I don't see Tomalak wanting to commit genocide. Rather, he seemed more like someone who wanted to beat Picard for the glory of besting a worthy adversary that he has a grudging respect for (whether he admits it or not).

Sela, however, just straight up hated Picard's guts and her own human half. I can see her wanting to destroy Earth.
Oh yes, Sela would have worked nicely, but I think her background would have been more confusing and convoluted to non-Trekkies than Shinzon's (Shinzon could be fairly easily described as just "an evil younger clone of Picard," but Sela was "the lookalike half-Romulan daughter of a deceased crewmember from the previous Enterprise in an alternate timeline in which she didn't originally die, but instead forever changed the course of history aboard an even earlier Enterprise").
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The presence of Denise Crosby would've turned the film into a bigger disaster than it already was.
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The presence of Denise Crosby would've turned the film into a bigger disaster than it already was.
Yep. I like the Tasha character, and I really like Denise Crosby! I mean her absolutely no disrespect by this, but IMHO, she's quite a mediocre actress. On long running episodic television, I don't think this is too much of a problem, but giving her a prominent role in what was a relatively high profile franchise movie may not have worked out so well.
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Hmm...I think Denise Crosby could have pulled it off, but then Sela was not the "typical movie Trek villain"--someone prone to shouting, ranting, and foaming at the mouth. She also wasn't inclined to debate issues with Picard.
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