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Old July 2 2013, 03:46 PM   #16
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Re: TSFS Destruct Sequence: Why Chekov?

Why not Chekov? There was plenty of time for his assignment status to be updated (there was never any stated question of him going anywhere else) and he's back at the nav station when the film begins. His voice was on file, he knew the codes, the other two codes were correct. As long as you've been granted permissions, it shouldn't matter which of the group enters the code. It could have been Bones or Sulu, as long as they had access rights. Something this important would have to allow others to step up in the event someone else is killed or indisposed. If you confine it to the top 3 officers, you're screwed if the XO is dead. Even the captain would have to have a backup.

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Old July 4 2013, 03:34 PM   #17
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What troubles me more about the sequence is the fact that even after 15 years and a major refit, they hadn't changed the codes.
We need not assume that the string of numbers was a code, though. Not in the sense of being a secret password or a way to positively identify the speaker; those should be redundant with voice recognition already.

Rather, the numbers could simply be shorthand for what the person wants specifically. The "Code zero zero zero, destruct zero" bit probably serves that function, but all the "personal" strings of numbers are also first identified as being requests for a specific "destruct sequence". There might be plenty of nuances to it: say, Kirk first specifies that he wants a sequence that needs two more verifiers; Scotty concurs; and Chekov concurs. Kirk might also have chosen a destruct sequence that needs only his say-so, or a sequence that calls for the consensus of five officers, or a sequence that needs to get approved by the computer based on set criteria.

The string of numbers could also specify what the position of the person aboard the ship currently is (so it stays unchanged for Kirk and Scotty, but follows the Science Officer post when that transitions from Spock to Chekov). The CO position is unambiguous, but the ship might have plenty of Science Officers, and "1b2b3" might be needed to tell that Chekov is using the authority of the Chief Science Officer rather than the Assistant Astrobiologist.

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Old July 4 2013, 10:33 PM   #18
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Re: TSFS Destruct Sequence: Why Chekov?

Possibility.

While Sulu obviously out ranked Chekov during TOS, it's possible that by the time of TSFS Chekov out ranked Sulu, he was promoted to Commander prior to Sulu, and therefor had more time in grade.

Chekov was First Officer of the Reliant in TWOK

Sulu was assigned to the academy in someway.

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Old July 4 2013, 10:36 PM   #19
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Re: TSFS Destruct Sequence: Why Chekov?

^If you believe the novels, he was first officer of the USS Exeter.

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Old July 5 2013, 05:15 AM   #20
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Re: TSFS Destruct Sequence: Why Chekov?

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I'm not sure if Sulu was really in the chain-of-command as he was suppose to be getting his own ship originally in The Wrath of Khan and was essentially taking one last joyride on the Enterprise.
^ This. Sulu isn't technically part of the Enterprise crew in either TWOK or TSFS, but the scene which explained this was famously excised from the final cut.

I never fully understood why he's officially back at the helm in TFF though. Maybe Excelsior was still undergoing tests after the transwarp fiasco, and Kirk simply offered him another short term tour-of-duty until his own command was available again?
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Old July 5 2013, 08:14 AM   #21
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Or maybe starfleet wanted to wait a little while for the fallout from the whole Genesis affair to die down.
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Old July 5 2013, 08:28 AM   #22
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Or maybe starfleet wanted to wait a little while for the fallout from the whole Genesis affair to die down.
If I'm not mistaken this is exactly what the novel of the movie says, Sulu is gung-ho to get the Excelsior and starfleet says it's not happening due to Genesis.
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Old July 5 2013, 02:22 PM   #23
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Re: TSFS Destruct Sequence: Why Chekov?

Or just because the civilian Federation government forgave Kirk and Company, it doesn't mean Starfleet did. After all, Kirk made them look like incompetent chumps during The Search for Spock.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:39 PM   #24
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I never fully understood why he's officially back at the helm in TFF though. Maybe Excelsior was still undergoing tests after the transwarp fiasco, and Kirk simply offered him another short term tour-of-duty until his own command was available again?
There's no cannon explanation for this, but the Crucible books touch on it some. After the trial in which Kirk was demoted, he had a meeting with Admiral Cartwright to talk about what his next assignment would be. Cartwright told him that he was being offered command of a vessel with no senior staff, but didn't tell him the name (Enterprise-A was a surprise). He also said that the other officers involved in the theft of Enterprise would be unable to return to their old positions because of the drama surrounding the Genesis planet and the incident with the Klingon BOP.

Kirk asked if he could name any of the officers to his senior staff so that they would have jobs, and Cartwright was okay with it, adding that if the officers performed well under Kirk that they would have a chance to resume whatever tracks they'd been on prior to TWOK and TSFS.

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Old July 5 2013, 10:42 PM   #25
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Or just because the civilian Federation government forgave Kirk and Company, it doesn't mean Starfleet did. After all, Kirk made them look like incompetent chumps during The Search for Spock.
To me, that says more about Starfleet than it does Kirk and his friends. There's simply no excuse for Styles neglecting the security of his vessel and allowing Scotty to dismantle the engine. That the vessel was a prototype carrying high expectations only makes what happened worse, because the Federation wasn't able to test their new technology as planned.

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Old July 5 2013, 10:56 PM   #26
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To me, that says more about Starfleet than it does Kirk and his friends.
Which gives Starfleet all the more reason to chastise the heroes!

That the vessel was a prototype carrying high expectations only makes what happened worse, because the Federation wasn't able to test their new technology as planned.
How so? Supposedly, yanking out a few chips would be trivially reversible, and the ship would be back at transwarp testing in no time flat.

Whether those tests were a splendid success or an embarrassing failure, we don't know. But we never were told that Scotty would have broken the ship for good.

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Old July 5 2013, 11:05 PM   #27
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How so? Supposedly, yanking out a few chips would be trivially reversible, and the ship would be back at transwarp testing in no time flat.

Whether those tests were a splendid success or an embarrassing failure, we don't know. But we never were told that Scotty would have broken the ship for good.
Yet we don't see the technology again until the Borg show up. You're right that the project wasn't necessarily abandoned because of Scotty's sabotage, but it clearly was put in mothballs for some reason. Otherwise, it's likely we'd have seen future ships equipped with transwarp drive.

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Old July 5 2013, 11:53 PM   #28
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Otherwise, it's likely we'd have seen future ships equipped with transwarp drive.
According to the TNG science advisers, 24th century ships were faster than their 23rd century counterparts and how warp factors were calculated changed.

So if "transwarp drive" was merely the name of next gen warp drive, it may have been completely successful.
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Old July 6 2013, 12:05 AM   #29
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According to the TNG science advisers, 24th century ships were faster than their 23rd century counterparts and how warp factors were calculated changed.

So if "transwarp drive" was merely the name of next gen warp drive, it may have been completely successful.
That's true. And it's never really explained what Excelsior's engine was supposed to do. Could it create conduits to travel through space like the Borg did? Did Starfleet even conceive such an idea during the twenty third century? Thinking about continuity, it's likely someone would have referenced the idea when talking about the Borg, and an explanation of why the Federation did or didn't have transwarp drive would have been given.

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Old July 6 2013, 12:20 AM   #30
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I remember reading somewhere (obviously non-canon) that transwarp drive utilized inter-phasic space seen in The Tholian Web.
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