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Old July 5 2013, 11:49 PM   #46
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I am indeed continuing with the show. Thinking back to TNG, the first season of that show was far worse than the first season of ENT has been so far. If that show was able to radically change gears, then ENT is more than capable of doing the same. Whether it actually does.......well, I'll judge that for myself, but based on what you all are saying I trust that it will.
If I were you, I'd ignore that whole "It takes two years for a Star Trek show to get better" nonsense. It's NEVER been true, and as you will find out when you get there with ENTERPRISE, It's REALLY not true in this case.
Do you not agree that TNG and DS9 improved after their initial seasons? Or even VOY? (which I think marginally improved with each season, until the last two seasons when I think it really blossomed)
Well, there's always room for improvement. That goes for anything. I was just saying that I don't buy into the belief that TNG and DS9 were bad in their first two years. In both cases, they had some really good individual episodes and ideas. Plus, for me, listening to the Ron Jones Project CD collection re-enforced a belief that I'd had for years: that TNG's music was at it's best in the first two seasons, before the "sonic wallpaper" edict was put in place. And, in the case of DS9, without the Defiant, they spent most of their time on the station. Sometimes whole episodes. Since I tend to like "bottle" shows more than planet shows, this helped me to warm up to DS9 alot faster than I did to the other series.

I guess you could say that I'm somebody who doesn't follow popular opinion.
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Old July 5 2013, 11:59 PM   #47
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Well it might be fair to say that S1-2 of TNG was weaker than the later seasons, the same with DSN, but DSN's S1-2 were stronger than TNG's S1-2.

As for VOY, sure it had some of it's best epsiodes in later seasons. But i grew a little tired of what was becomming the Dctor, Janeway, Seven show. But saying that one of the best things about VOY was Robert Picardo as the EMH.
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Old July 6 2013, 01:32 PM   #48
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But saying that one of the best things about VOY was Robert Picardo as the EMH.
I quite agree. I only watched random episodes past the first season of Voy, but EMH was the only thing to watch for. Message in a Bottle is the best Voy episode I watched.

For some reason in almost all trek shows, doctors make likeable characters (except for TNG, where both doctors kind of sucked).
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Old July 6 2013, 02:59 PM   #49
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But saying that one of the best things about VOY was Robert Picardo as the EMH.
I quite agree. I only watched random episodes past the first season of Voy, but EMH was the only thing to watch for. Message in a Bottle is the best Voy episode I watched.

For some reason in almost all trek shows, doctors make likeable characters (except for TNG, where both doctors kind of sucked).
On Pulaski, I agree completely. She was nothing but a bad Bones rip-off. But I liked crusher.
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Old July 8 2013, 03:17 AM   #50
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I am indeed continuing with the show. Thinking back to TNG, the first season of that show was far worse than the first season of ENT has been so far. If that show was able to radically change gears, then ENT is more than capable of doing the same. Whether it actually does.......well, I'll judge that for myself, but based on what you all are saying I trust that it will.
If I were you, I'd ignore that whole "It takes two years for a Star Trek show to get better" nonsense. It's NEVER been true, and as you will find out when you get there with ENTERPRISE, It's REALLY not true in this case.
Do you not agree that TNG and DS9 improved after their initial seasons? Or even VOY? (which I think marginally improved with each season, until the last two seasons when I think it really blossomed)
That's a known fact about most TV shows in general, not just Star Trek. Shows almost always get better once the characters and plot are developed. That's usually a given.

I think most shows start out with that intention of defining itself and its characters. Once the bumpy first season is done, you can start really having some fun.

The opposite happens once a show is just on for too long. Oftentimes, the worst seasons are a show's first and last seasons. Not true for all shows. Just seems to be for most, from what I've learned.
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Old July 8 2013, 03:42 AM   #51
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That's a known fact about most TV shows in general, not just Star Trek. Shows are almost always better once the characters and plot are developed. That's usually a given.

I think most shows start out with that intention of defining itself and its characters. Once the bumpy first season is done, you can start really having some fun.

The opposite happens once a show is just on for too long. Oftentimes, the worst seasons are a show's first and last seasons. Not true for all shows. Just seems to be for most, from what I've learned.
This is a pretty old comic, but I think it's relevant here. And true for most shows I can think of:



Enteprise is least favorite Trek, but I'm sure if it had been allowed to continue it would have gotten better.
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Old July 8 2013, 06:10 AM   #52
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I am indeed continuing with the show. Thinking back to TNG, the first season of that show was far worse than the first season of ENT has been so far. If that show was able to radically change gears, then ENT is more than capable of doing the same. Whether it actually does.......well, I'll judge that for myself, but based on what you all are saying I trust that it will. Stay tuned for my reviews of future episodes.

Also, read somewhere that showrunners and fans are trying to revive ENT for a fifth season. Think this stands a chance of happening?
season 2 is all over the place. to soo soo to some really good to great episodes. an odd mid part while closing out strong.
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I forgot to mention it at the start of this thread, but PLEASE, NO SPOILERS. Sorry for the late warning, but thanks for being considerate and not posting any spoilers.
I added a note to the thread title, hopefully that will help. Enjoy the show!
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Old July 8 2013, 08:29 PM   #54
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If I were you, I'd ignore that whole "It takes two years for a Star Trek show to get better" nonsense. It's NEVER been true, and as you will find out when you get there with ENTERPRISE, It's REALLY not true in this case.
Do you not agree that TNG and DS9 improved after their initial seasons? Or even VOY? (which I think marginally improved with each season, until the last two seasons when I think it really blossomed)
That's a known fact about most TV shows in general, not just Star Trek. Shows are almost always better once the characters and plot are developed. That's usually a given.
I know this is off topic, and if you want to PM me to continue the discussion, feel free, but I can think of two examples where the first season is better than the third, and those are Sliders and SeaQuest, so I would disagree that it's a hard and fast rule.
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Old July 9 2013, 03:15 AM   #55
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Do you not agree that TNG and DS9 improved after their initial seasons? Or even VOY? (which I think marginally improved with each season, until the last two seasons when I think it really blossomed)
That's a known fact about most TV shows in general, not just Star Trek. Shows are almost always better once the characters and plot are developed. That's usually a given.
I know this is off topic, and if you want to PM me to continue the discussion, feel free, but I can think of two examples where the first season is better than the third, and those are Sliders and SeaQuest, so I would disagree that it's a hard and fast rule.
It's definitely not a rule.

Just...seems to occur often.

I'm sure there are a ton of exceptions.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:31 AM   #56
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I forgot to mention it at the start of this thread, but PLEASE, NO SPOILERS. Sorry for the late warning, but thanks for being considerate and not posting any spoilers.
I added a note to the thread title, hopefully that will help. Enjoy the show!
Thank you!!! Much appreciated.

I've been busy the last several days, but hope to watch some more ENT very soon. Will keep you all updated with how I'm feeling about the show.
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Old July 9 2013, 04:53 AM   #57
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I also faded out during the second season but came back for the series finale that didn't inspire me want to watch the rest but it would be disappointing if the episodes I missed were the ones worth watching. I'm in the catching up with TOS phase, which I'm enjoying, but after that I'll give Enterprise another shot.
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Old July 9 2013, 12:17 PM   #58
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Everyone should watch everything!
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Old July 9 2013, 04:11 PM   #59
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Everyone should watch everything!
Just Star Trek, or every episode of every show ever made?

I imagine THAT would take awhile....
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I meant just Star Trek, but upon reflection I mean all science fiction shows. That way they can talk to me and I will be interested in what comes out of their mouths.
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