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Old July 5 2013, 03:02 AM   #16
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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... one interesting thing that was brought up was that there are states... that are not allowed to strike, like Chicago and Washington DC.
Well, Chicago and Washington DC are not exactly states. Sorry to be nitpicky. If strikes are illegal in those two cities I'm surprised to learn that.
President Reagan fired air traffic controllers for striking because that job was so important to the US's infrastructure.
The U.S. President had authority to fire air traffic controllers?

As for whether Public Transportation employees should be allowed to strike, I would say Yes, but I would encourage such employees to use a strike only as a last resort. But then I suspect they would anyway, since no one really wants to go without receiving a paycheck for a long period.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:15 AM   #17
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

Yeah the whole Cities/States thing was a tad nitpicky. Thank you for the correction though.

As for the Air Traffic Control thing, This Article summarizes it better than I could.

As for this Strike, it's an inconvenience that is costing this region millions and so much loss of efficiency all for better wages. At least last night the traffic wasn't as bad as I thought it was going to be but this week is just as chaotic and messy as it was in 1997.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:20 AM   #18
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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^ And here's something I never thought I'd say: I agree with iguana.
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Mind. Blown.
Thread was worthwhile just for this.

And I agree with them both. Virtually everyone should be allowed to strike. The only exceptions, imo, are are those on whom lives and safety depend -- doctors, fire fighters, and so on.
So getting to work to make a living in a region with already a high cost of living is not an exception to the rule? I see Public Transportation as a public service, even though I do think the longer this strike goes on, the more people will get used to getting around without it. That should be a negotiating tactic.
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Old July 5 2013, 06:58 AM   #19
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

And some good news, the Bart Strike is over. Trains start running again at 3:00 PDT. The old contract is getting extended to August 4th, and from now until then, they will finish up negotiating a new contract. Thank God for that.
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Old July 5 2013, 07:41 AM   #20
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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Virtually everyone should be allowed to strike. The only exceptions, imo, are are those on whom lives and safety depend -- doctors, fire fighters, and so on.
And people who need to get to the hospital for surgery and have no other way than by public transportation can just go without?

No. Unless the job is literally too dangerous for the worker or the employer suddenly decides to pay less than minimum wage, I have ZERO sympathy for strikers. Especially civil servants.
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Old July 5 2013, 07:59 AM   #21
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

And people who need to get to the hospital for surgery and have no other way than by public transportation can just go without?
I think, in the case of a strike, if the person is too poor to afford a taxi it might be possible to get a hospital, or the Red Cross or similar organisation, to arrange transport. It might be possible to even get help off the union that is striking.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:33 PM   #22
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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But what could happen is that ones person right to strike interfers with somone elses rights?
Well, I'd say tough shit. They'll manage for a little while.

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As for this Strike, it's an inconvenience that is costing this region millions and so much loss of efficiency all for better wages.
I believe you'll think differently if it was your wage.

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So getting to work to make a living in a region with already a high cost of living is not an exception to the rule?
No.

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I have ZERO sympathy for strikers. Especially civil servants.
I take it you never had to strike to defend your rights or keep your wage above the poverty line. Must have been nice.

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And people who need to get to the hospital for surgery and have no other way than by public transportation can just go without?
I think, in the case of a strike, if the person is too poor to afford a taxi it might be possible to get a hospital, or the Red Cross or similar organisation, to arrange transport. It might be possible to even get help off the union that is striking.
Yep. Workers don't strike because they are evil and greedy, they do it because they had no other weapon to deal with powerful businesses and administrations. Public services like police, medical personnel, and transport are expected to keep a minimum of service for emergencies and critical situations.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:41 PM   #23
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

^I would be happy making 60K a year just pushing buttons.
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Old July 5 2013, 08:35 PM   #24
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

So why you don't? (Hint: maybe because it's not just "pushing buttons".)
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Old July 5 2013, 08:49 PM   #25
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I take it you never had to strike to defend your rights or keep your wage above the poverty line. Must have been nice.
Actually, no. I have always preferred to be my own boss, whenever possible. That way I charge what the market will bear, keeping in mind the need to ensure an adequate hourly equivalent. And if I were to strike for more pay, I'd only be hurting myself. It's not like the clients couldn't go elsewhere (they'd get inferior service in my opinion, but it's ultimately their decision).
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Old July 5 2013, 08:51 PM   #26
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

Should public employees be allowed to strike? No.

Should public service management be able to give themselves pay raises? No.

These people work for the public. It should be up to elected oversight to approve budgets and pay.

If they don't like the job, work somewhere else. Start a private sector business. Create jobs.

Not a popular opinion, but I'm used to that.
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Old July 5 2013, 08:54 PM   #27
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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But what could happen is that ones person right to strike interfers with somone elses rights?
Well, I'd say tough shit. They'll manage for a little while.
Well in the case of a strike by say train drivers as no one has a right to use one then they do have to live with it.

Most of the time those going on strike do not interfer with someones else right

. A possible example from a few years ago where that might not be the case is when French Fishermen blokaded the channel ports on there side of the Channel, last I chekced EU law allows for unrestriced movement of goods/peoples and services between member nations. Wouldn't a blocakde run counter to that EU law?

Now of course they have the right to strike, but they could have striked by just leaving their boats in dock.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:04 PM   #28
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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Of course they should.

Do people find it inconvenient? Well, that's kinda the point of striking.
QFT

And BART is a public agency represented by unions. As someone who works for a public agency myself, I support the strike 100%.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:11 PM   #29
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Should public employees be allowed to strike? No.

Should public service management be able to give themselves pay raises? No.

These people work for the public. It should be up to elected oversight to approve budgets and pay.

If they don't like the job, work somewhere else. Start a private sector business. Create jobs.

Not a popular opinion, but I'm used to that.
You clearly have no grasp of labor issues. May I ask how old you are?

Edit: Knowledge is power.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...=1&word=strike
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Old July 5 2013, 10:02 PM   #30
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Re: Should Public Transportation Agencies be Allowed to Strike?

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Should public employees be allowed to strike? No.

Should public service management be able to give themselves pay raises? No.

These people work for the public. It should be up to elected oversight to approve budgets and pay.

If they don't like the job, work somewhere else. Start a private sector business. Create jobs.

Not a popular opinion, but I'm used to that.
You clearly have no grasp of labor issues. May I ask how old you are?

Edit: Knowledge is power.

http://legal-dictionary.thefreedicti...=1&word=strike
Over 50. Thanks for asking.

And I do have a grasp of labor issues. I work for a living. I work my butt off for what I am paid by a public institution. Even if offered the chance, I would not strike against my employer. Why? Because I can go find something else to do if I really don't want to work there any more. Seriously.

In the meantime, I do have a private sector business that I have been building from the ground up for the past three years. I also work my butt off at that, every day and night, seven days a week. What I have I've built from literally nothing but an idea. No grants, no loans, just me and my sweat and blood and what money I could spare from my day job.

My wife also works as an independent contractor in her field outside her day job. Which, by the way, is a public sector position. If ordered to strike, she would have no choice, but I know she does not like the idea. Union membership at her "day job" is mandatory. Otherwise, she'd have none of it.

What do you do?

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