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Old July 5 2013, 01:46 PM   #211
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Creationists are not afraid of evolution. They just realize that evolution is unscientific.
Holy shit.
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Old July 5 2013, 01:46 PM   #212
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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The problem is the concept of the almighty God, the omnipotent, all-knowing and always-right entity that is the creator of everything...

...If the Bible says Earth and men were created in 6-7 days, but science says Earth is 4 billion years old, then the Bible just must be right.
If he is omnipotent why did it take 6-7 days? He could have done it in the blink of an eye.

He sounds lazy to me.
Probably Osha regulations, they're a bugger.
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Old July 5 2013, 01:53 PM   #213
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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It's fairly safe to say that anyone who thinks the bible is an accurate historical record has never had to think very hard about anything beyond what clothes to wear in the morning.
A sad cheap shot. Plenty of intelligent people believe in the Bible's historical record, and many scientists do as well.

Many events in the Biblical record have been verified by archaeology and other studies. Serious historians believe in the life, death, and post-mortem appearances of Christ (how these are interpreted is another question, of course).

Ironically, you, if you're an atheist, must believe in evolution, even though it's never been verified either! Of course, I assume you trust in the evolutionists' subjective interpretations of DNA, morphology, and the fossil record, and believe that this proves that evolution occurred. Of course it doesn't, but you're not willing to look at the contradicting evidence.

Of course, this is an emotions issue and not a facts issue. For some people, the Bible is wholly unacceptable and therefore they consider it false with zero credibility. Being in denial like this and making such false claims helps some to cope. It is much easier than to believe that the God of the Bible exists, since the God of the Bible demands accountability for the way we live.
I believe it was Aristotle who said the mind left unexplored is a life wasted. I think you've demonstrated this pretty well in one post.

I studied the Bible at university as part of my degree. I also studied the Rig Veda and ancient Egyptian cartouches. As palaeography goes they are fascinating insight into the peoples who created them. As an absolute description of the world, not so much.
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Old July 5 2013, 02:15 PM   #214
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Instead of "creation vs evolution," which will never be settled in our lifetimes, why not take a look at a conversation between reasonable people about good vs. evil?

Evil, Religion, and Responsibility
I'd love to. Do you have any recommendations for reasonable people to check out? My experience w/ Glenn Beck has shown that he does not fit the description.

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Old July 5 2013, 04:19 PM   #215
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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The problem is the concept of the almighty God, the omnipotent, all-knowing and always-right entity that is the creator of everything...

...If the Bible says Earth and men were created in 6-7 days, but science says Earth is 4 billion years old, then the Bible just must be right.
If he is omnipotent why did it take 6-7 days? He could have done it in the blink of an eye.

He sounds lazy to me.
And why did he create beings that make mistakes?
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Old July 5 2013, 05:14 PM   #216
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

I've always wondered if G-d's command to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge was just a simple case of reverse psychology.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:20 PM   #217
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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I've always wondered if G-d's command to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge was just a simple case of reverse psychology.
he knew the outcome either way, presumably. If he didn't want things to happen the way they did, he should have put the tree where it was safe.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:29 PM   #218
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

In the span of time between G-d's creation of Man and Man's fall by eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil), what was our original purpose? Were Adam and Eve (and Adam's ex-wife Lilith?) just suppose to hang out in the Garden of Eden? What would they be doing? What was their purpose? Because it sounds like a simple zoo. Let's make Man in our own image, G-d said, but then let's leave him locked up in an enclosure.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:46 PM   #219
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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In the span of time between G-d's creation of Man and Man's fall by eating of the fruit of the Tree of Knowledge (of Good and Evil), what was our original purpose? Were Adam and Eve (and Adam's ex-wife Lilith?) just suppose to hang out in the Garden of Eden? What would they be doing? What was their purpose? Because it sounds like a simple zoo. Let's make Man in our own image, G-d said, but then let's leave him locked up in an enclosure.
God was lazy and needed someone he could subcontract the naming of the animals to. After that he needed to fire Adam, so he came up with the bogus Tree of Knowledge rule.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:11 PM   #220
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Given all the "features" of this universe, it has the feel of a prototype. I think we're the Beta-verse. After screwing around with us, he went on to create something really nifty that we'll never get to see.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:22 PM   #221
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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I've always wondered if G-d's command to not eat from the Tree of Knowledge was just a simple case of reverse psychology.
he knew the outcome either way, presumably. If he didn't want things to happen the way they did, he should have put the tree where it was safe.
I think that's the point that always gets ignored about Genesis. There are things that God never had any power over. The trees and free will.

Genesis is a tale about a tyrant trying to keep his people uneducated. God LIES about the fruits of the tree of knowledge from good and evil: he tells them they would DIE if they ate from it. The snake comes around and tells Adam and Eve that this is a lie. And they eat the fruit, and suddenly they become truly self aware, they became knowledgable. The fruit gave them free will. And they decided to stop running around naked. And when God saw them running around with clothing, he got UPSET. And punished them by exiling them. Why? Because he was afraid there were now also going to eat from the tree of life. Then they would have been JUST LIKE HIM.
He couldn't change anything about the trees, and he couldn't control free will. And that's where he got afraid and started to punish them.

If you read Genesis, it really is NOT about an all-loving, all-understanding God. He is described as a powerful, but still limited creature. That has been my interpretation ever since I read that passage for the first time.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:30 PM   #222
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Adam and Eve did die. How do we know what would have happened had they not exercised their free will and not given into temptation?

That's the lesson. Resist the temptation to give in to evil.

Then the question becomes, what is evil?
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Old July 5 2013, 10:34 PM   #223
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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what is evil?
The asshole god who created people who, thanks to his omniscience, he knew would do the very thing he already knew he would be punishing them for.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:34 PM   #224
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Adam and Eve did die. How do we know what would have happened had they not exercised their free will and not given into temptation?

That's the lesson. Resist the temptation to give in to evil.

Then the question becomes, what is evil?
I don't see any evil in becoming self aware and knowledgable. Maybe that's my problem. I'm on the snake's side. Especially when I see how God sadistically and cruely punishes them afterwards for making their FIRST mistake ever. That's not what I want to see from a good leader, or father, or boss.

But yeah, what is evil, and why is evil there, and why can't God do anything about it? No matter how you twist and turn it around, there is always SOMETHING that God has no power over.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:34 PM   #225
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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Adam and Eve did die. How do we know what would have happened had they not exercised their free will and not given into temptation?
An eternal life of slavery, it seems.

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That's the lesson. Resist the temptation to give in to evil.
No, the lesson is do not disobey your master, or you will be punished. A slave's morality.

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Then the question becomes, what is evil?
Apparently, disobeying the whims of a cruel, powerful master. No thank you.
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