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Old July 5 2013, 03:06 PM   #16
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The TOS fan service definitely hurt into darkness box office earnings...
Post proof or retract.
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Old July 5 2013, 03:20 PM   #17
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The TOS fan service definitely hurt into darkness box office earnings...
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Old July 5 2013, 04:08 PM   #18
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Meyer deserves credit too, since they followed the scene as framed by him.

I didn't sit through all the credits - was there no acknowledgment all all?
"Based on 'Star Trek' created by Gene Roddenberry" was the only such credit required. And given.

Did Nick Meyer acknowledge Horatio Hornblower's creators in his credits? Or those movies with ships at sea, or planes in battle, passing each other the way he did the homage with Starfleet vessels in ST II?
No, but I still don't see why Meyer and the WGA weren't required to acknowledge the link to SPACE SEED in the form of mentioning Gene Coon and/or Carey Wilbur.

Moreso even than JM Lucas and THE CHANGELING for TMP, and that is saying something.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:23 PM   #19
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Yay! Another "because STiD used Khan, and re-purposed a scene from another movie with a few copied lines of dialog means this movie is a shot for shot remake of WOK" thread......
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Old July 5 2013, 05:25 PM   #20
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Yay! Another "because STiD used Khan, and re-purposed a scene from another movie with a few copied lines of dialog means this movie is a shot for shot remake of WOK" thread......
Don't forget that is also why the movie failed financially, only making $450 million dollars to date.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:25 PM   #21
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The TOS fan service definitely hurt into darkness box office earnings...
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Yea, this movie took in more money than the last one, and as anecdotal evidence, I know several people who wouldn't dream of watching a "Star Trek" movie, that have told me STiD is a "Must-See", and I've heard no one complain that homages, Fan Service, whatever you want to call it kept them from seeing it or damaged their enjoyment while watching it.

Rotten Tomatoes doesn't seem to indicate truth in this statement either.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:29 PM   #22
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I just wonder why some people seem desperate for this movie to be considered a failure?
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Old July 5 2013, 05:31 PM   #23
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Yay! Another "because STiD used Khan, and re-purposed a scene from another movie with a few copied lines of dialog means this movie is a shot for shot remake of WOK" thread......
Don't forget that is also why the movie failed financially, only making $450 million dollars to date.
And don't forget Man of Steel is an even bigger failure, only having made $528 Million so far, if only they hadn't hired Bad Robot and Nolan
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Old July 5 2013, 05:50 PM   #24
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The only thing I heard was a pair of teenage girls whinging that they found the film boring and that it lacked action...
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Old July 5 2013, 07:58 PM   #25
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To the OP: People tend to hear what they want to hear.

I loved the movie, and I heard nothing but positives leaving the cinema on opening night. Now, does that mean there weren't ANY naysayers? Of course not. I just was not clued into them.

Also, to anyone who thinks this movie is a financial disaster in any way, shape, or form?

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Old July 6 2013, 01:53 AM   #26
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It may be true that people hear what they want to hear and see what they want to see, and they describe that as whatever they want to describe that as.

I haven’t read where anyone has said that STID is a “disaster” financially. That sounds like someone's trumped up hyperbole about what people are actually saying, at least the people I've heard and read. The word I’ve read a lot has been “disappointment” with regard to its domestic numbers. $450 million means that it may still have a ways to go to match the last film after you adjust for inflation and the larger production and marketing budgets. There are still 2 more countries that have openings coming down the pike, I believe, so it will continue to add to its current world-wide gross.

Now, is $450mil by itself bad? No. Are the domestic numbers by themselves bad? Also, that’s a no. Might there be a little problem when the domestic numbers, in spite of the “good” reviews and reportedly good word-of-mouth, are tracking behind the 2009 movie? All I can say is it’s something to think about. Anyone who thinks that is something to mock or ridicule could be called “desperate” in their attempts to deny that.

Then we have the people who want to claim that because STID had “competition” (isn’t that every film?) that this is the reason why it didn’t do as well domestically. I think if people want to see a movie, then they see the movie. If they don’t, then they don’t, but who can really say…

I’d rate Man of Steel a little bit above STID. In spite of the film’s many issues, I actually felt something for the Clark character the whole way through and I think the actor did a great job playing him. I don’t know if the numbers for MoS are a disaster, a disappointment, or a major-super success. It was heavily marketed as Chris Nolan’s next film, and considering that the last 2 batman movies both made over a billion each, half that and counting at this point might be good??

Getting back to the topic of conversations heard after the film, I can’t really say. I just remember being relieved because it was finally over. Last film I stayed, though, as well as a number of other people, for some of the credits. I don’t remember any conversations, but I do recall people seeming happy.
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I've heard no one complain that homages, Fan Service, whatever you want to call it kept them from seeing it or damaged their enjoyment while watching it.
I encountered some fans saying this about STiD at the same time as heaping praise upon the fanfilm, "Of Gods and Men", for the wonderfulness of its homages and "fan service".

Hilarious.

A STiD focusing on some other Eugenics survivor being revived instead of Khan would have had people screaming, "Orci! Missed opportunity! Harrison could have been... Khaaaaan!"
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I’d rate Man of Steel a little bit above STID. In spite of the film’s many issues, I actually felt something for the Clark character the whole way through and I think the actor did a great job playing him.
Loved Henry Cavill, but STiD didn't have a - what? - 40-minutes long sequence of skyscraper destruction as a climax. It was mind-numbingly repetitive and boring.
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Old July 6 2013, 02:18 AM   #29
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Why do people keep suggesting that ST'09 needs to be adjusted for inflation? Here in the US, a Dollar pretty much buys you now, what it did then, that was only 4 years ago. Heathcare/Health Insurance costs more today and Houses cost less, but, most everything else is pretty close to the same. Is there such a drastic difference in 4 years in other countries' inflation that would make a meaningful difference in ST'09's Worldwide Take?

LOL Therin, if they know Of Gods and Men, those weren't the people I meant, I meant the General Audience The Fans that would have those kind of conversations will see it no matter what is served up (Sure they may not like it, but, they'll watch it to make sure).
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I’d rate Man of Steel a little bit above STID. In spite of the film’s many issues, I actually felt something for the Clark character the whole way through and I think the actor did a great job playing him.
Loved Henry Cavill, but STiD didn't have a - what? - 40-minutes long sequence of skyscraper destruction as a climax. It was mind-numbingly repetitive and boring.
From my view, Therin, they both had that. I thought the action was overdone in both. And yes, Henry Cavill was a very good Clark/Superman.
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