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Old July 5 2013, 03:01 AM   #196
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

I just put it the DVD on. The first sketch has Eve creeping up behind Adam, covering his eyes and saying "Guess who".
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Old July 5 2013, 03:12 AM   #197
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Lilith?
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Old July 5 2013, 03:15 AM   #198
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Lilith?
Dave obviously didn't think of that possibility.
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Old July 5 2013, 05:11 AM   #199
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

I'm a big fan of Tim Minchin, myself:

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Old July 5 2013, 05:15 AM   #200
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The core problem is that the Bible is a major issue for a lot of people. The Christian God is unacceptable, and so of course evolution must be true. For those who accept evolution and God's existence, for some reason a Creator God Who created in six days is unacceptable.
Speaking as one of those "who accept evolution and God's existence", the core problem is not that the Bible is a major issue, etc. The core problem is the literalist misinterpretation of what the Bible is.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:04 AM   #201
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This is genius, somebody needs to invent this immediately.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:15 AM   #202
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The problem is the concept of the almighty God, the omnipotent, all-knowing and always-right entity that is the creator of everything. I personally disagree with many decisions he makes in the Bible. For example outcasting Adam and Eve and punishing them in a seriously gruesome manner. It always looked to me like he had a serious anger management issue. Or when he talked JJ Abrahams into attempting to kill his own son as a "test of faith". Or when he picked a group of humans that he liked and decided that all others that he didn't like can be exterminated at will. That God is a terrible, terrible character that ABUSES his power on several occasions. I personally think that we, humans, in general behave morally superior to the God described in the Bible. How dare I?

At the same time he's also supposed to be all-loving and all-forgiving. But that clashes with the concept of Hell and all the stuff God did to punish and exterminate people who happened to disagree with him.

I guess faith is the ability to overlook all these contradictions. If the Bible says Earth and men were created in 6-7 days, but science says Earth is 4 billion years old, then the Bible just must be right.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:23 AM   #203
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I wish this guy would expand his theory


The evidence for this theory is quite compelling--just for one example, the salinity of seawater is, well, no more than an order of magnitude different than that of human blood and lots of the trace elements found in seawater are also to be found in human blood. Of course, if human blood is deficient in an important component of seawater--like, for example, squid--it should be noted that Ymir was a supernatural being (and a pretty big one, to boot) so he could probably have anything in his blood that he liked.

The Christian creation myth's greatest strength is that, instead of relying on mere observed facts and the correlation of current phenomena with physical evidence of past events, all interpreted by fallible human beings, it has the full force of the word of God behind it. From a theological standpoint, NCT is even more robust, being the word of not one God, but literally dozens of them--and not mamby-pamby Gods who couldn't make up their minds about how many legs a grasshopper has or had trouble figuring out pi to more than one significant figure, but tough, non-nonsense Gods with no qualms about beaning frost giants with a hammer or drinking the ocean on a dare.
The Norse Creation story is so much more interesting that the Bible Creation story.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:42 AM   #204
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I wish this guy would expand his theory


The evidence for this theory is quite compelling--just for one example, the salinity of seawater is, well, no more than an order of magnitude different than that of human blood and lots of the trace elements found in seawater are also to be found in human blood. Of course, if human blood is deficient in an important component of seawater--like, for example, squid--it should be noted that Ymir was a supernatural being (and a pretty big one, to boot) so he could probably have anything in his blood that he liked.

The Christian creation myth's greatest strength is that, instead of relying on mere observed facts and the correlation of current phenomena with physical evidence of past events, all interpreted by fallible human beings, it has the full force of the word of God behind it. From a theological standpoint, NCT is even more robust, being the word of not one God, but literally dozens of them--and not mamby-pamby Gods who couldn't make up their minds about how many legs a grasshopper has or had trouble figuring out pi to more than one significant figure, but tough, non-nonsense Gods with no qualms about beaning frost giants with a hammer or drinking the ocean on a dare.
The Norse Creation story is so much more interesting that the Bible Creation story.
It has more action and lens flares!
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Old July 5 2013, 09:52 AM   #205
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I wish this guy would expand his theory


The evidence for this theory is quite compelling--just for one example, the salinity of seawater is, well, no more than an order of magnitude different than that of human blood and lots of the trace elements found in seawater are also to be found in human blood. Of course, if human blood is deficient in an important component of seawater--like, for example, squid--it should be noted that Ymir was a supernatural being (and a pretty big one, to boot) so he could probably have anything in his blood that he liked.

The Christian creation myth's greatest strength is that, instead of relying on mere observed facts and the correlation of current phenomena with physical evidence of past events, all interpreted by fallible human beings, it has the full force of the word of God behind it. From a theological standpoint, NCT is even more robust, being the word of not one God, but literally dozens of them--and not mamby-pamby Gods who couldn't make up their minds about how many legs a grasshopper has or had trouble figuring out pi to more than one significant figure, but tough, non-nonsense Gods with no qualms about beaning frost giants with a hammer or drinking the ocean on a dare.
The Norse Creation story is so much more interesting that the Bible Creation story.
The whole of the Eddas are more fun and interesting.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:57 AM   #206
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My personal pet theory is that both could coexist.

Greek, Norse, Egyptian gods are mostly the same. Several gods with certain jobs they do and values they represent, and one leader. You can see that pattern in a lot of religions across the globe.

Then there is that other god. Perhaps he belonged to the other ones but was exiled or he was just miserable and hungry for power. He picked a certain group of humans and he told them that he is the one God, and that all others are false Gods. With many cheap parlor tricks like burning bushes and all that, he managed to start a revolution.

I guess the Christian God fought a battle against all the others, and maybe he won. Or the reason why we have never heard of any of those gods in the last 2000 years is that they all killed each other. You could kinda go a bit sci fi with that story.
Perhaps the final option he had was to take human form and tried to hide amongst humans. And guess who nailed him on a cross: Romans who believed in the other gods.


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Old July 5 2013, 10:37 AM   #207
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The core problem is that the Bible is a major issue for a lot of people.
Yeah. They are called "Christians". The rest of us don't care much for it (except for its literary value, which is undeniable).
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Old July 5 2013, 11:14 AM   #208
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Not so much. I accept that there are things that we can't comprehend. I state my beliefs and stand behind them. It's called "faith."

If you want to challenge that, go ahead. But don't expect me to argue the point for your entertainment.

Nice talkin' to ya.
I would call that embracing ignorance. It is bliss after all.

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Why don't they see that, if God existed, that Evolution, the result of random gene mutation, would be just one part of the Almighty's big tool box? If he created the universe, he set all the rules. Speed of light, gravity, time, strings, quarks, protons, neutrons, electrons, atoms, molecules, particle decay, radiation, it all works according to a strict set of rules. And evolution is the result of all that. If there is a God, he probably made all those rules. And then hit the 'Start' Button and enjoyed watching how it all unfolds. Not much unlike a programmer who created a simulation.

Isn't that enough?

I don't get why it's such an aggressive "either-or" debate when both could be true.

If one believes in a god, shouldn't evolution act as evidence for how wonderful and complex that god is?

Is it really that important to people that everything happened literally as described in the Bible?
Creationists are not afraid of evolution. They just realize that evolution is unscientific. Speciation is true, observable science, but evolution (the idea that non-life became life on the early life and then evolved over billions of years to become man) is not. We can't jump in a time machine and observe evolution happening, and any 'facts' of evolution, such as DNA, the fossil record, morphology, etc., must be subjectively interpreted (the facts don't speak for themselves), and could just as easily (actually, easier) be interpreted in a Biblical, creationist way.

There are plenty of websites which show the fallacies of evolution, and there are over 100 young earth/universe evidences. An objective person sees that these evidences indicate a young earth and that evolution therefore could not have happened.

The core problem is that the Bible is a major issue for a lot of people. The Christian God is unacceptable, and so of course evolution must be true. For those who accept evolution and God's existence, for some reason a Creator God Who created in six days is unacceptable.

I don't see how the glory of God is shown in millions of years of animal death culminating in the evolution of man, but everyone's entitled to an opinion. I think God's glory is clearly better shown in His creation of a sinless, perfect universe---which only became subject to death and futility after sin was committed, an act by free humans.

Go to creation.com (look up "101 evidences for a young earth" and "It's not science") for more information on what I wrote above. You can also research a great deal of other topics.

Scienceagainstevolution.org is another great site which shows the copious holes in evolution. Again, speciation is true, but this doesn't prove or imply evolution in any way. There is much observational science which shows that evolution is false. It is not surprising at all that large numbers of scientists in our day are abandoning it.
Oh dear, you are in a serious need of a major dose of AronRa.

Here are 2 1/2 hours of a rundown of what kind of scientific evidence for evolution we have (and this is basically just the index!).
I dare you to watch it and tell me again evolution is not proven beyond reasonable doubt.

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Old July 5 2013, 12:19 PM   #209
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Why don't they see that, if God existed, that Evolution, the result of random gene mutation, would be just one part of the Almighty's big tool box? If he created the universe, he set all the rules. Speed of light, gravity, time, strings, quarks, protons, neutrons, electrons, atoms, molecules, particle decay, radiation, it all works according to a strict set of rules. And evolution is the result of all that. If there is a God, he probably made all those rules. And then hit the 'Start' Button and enjoyed watching how it all unfolds. Not much unlike a programmer who created a simulation.

Isn't that enough?

I don't get why it's such an aggressive "either-or" debate when both could be true.

If one believes in a god, shouldn't evolution act as evidence for how wonderful and complex that god is?

Is it really that important to people that everything happened literally as described in the Bible?
Creationists are not afraid of evolution. They just realize that evolution is unscientific. Speciation is true, observable science, but evolution (the idea that non-life became life on the early life and then evolved over billions of years to become man) is not. We can't jump in a time machine and observe evolution happening, and any 'facts' of evolution, such as DNA, the fossil record, morphology, etc., must be subjectively interpreted (the facts don't speak for themselves), and could just as easily (actually, easier) be interpreted in a Biblical, creationist way.

There are plenty of websites which show the fallacies of evolution, and there are over 100 young earth/universe evidences. An objective person sees that these evidences indicate a young earth and that evolution therefore could not have happened.

The core problem is that the Bible is a major issue for a lot of people. The Christian God is unacceptable, and so of course evolution must be true. For those who accept evolution and God's existence, for some reason a Creator God Who created in six days is unacceptable.

I don't see how the glory of God is shown in millions of years of animal death culminating in the evolution of man, but everyone's entitled to an opinion. I think God's glory is clearly better shown in His creation of a sinless, perfect universe---which only became subject to death and futility after sin was committed, an act by free humans.

Go to creation.com (look up "101 evidences for a young earth" and "It's not science") for more information on what I wrote above. You can also research a great deal of other topics.

Scienceagainstevolution.org is another great site which shows the copious holes in evolution. Again, speciation is true, but this doesn't prove or imply evolution in any way. There is much observational science which shows that evolution is false. It is not surprising at all that large numbers of scientists in our day are abandoning it.
Oh dear, you are in a serious need of a major dose of AronRa.

Here are 2 1/2 hours of a rundown of what kind of scientific evidence for evolution we have (and this is basically just the index!).
I dare you to watch it and tell me again evolution is not proven beyond reasonable doubt.
I would call "Poe" but obvious trolling attempt is obvious.
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Old July 5 2013, 01:38 PM   #210
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The problem is the concept of the almighty God, the omnipotent, all-knowing and always-right entity that is the creator of everything...

...If the Bible says Earth and men were created in 6-7 days, but science says Earth is 4 billion years old, then the Bible just must be right.
If he is omnipotent why did it take 6-7 days? He could have done it in the blink of an eye.

He sounds lazy to me.
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