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Old July 5 2013, 02:07 AM   #16
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I've always thought that Riley's little "cooperative" is the forerunner of a real "collective" with it's own queen. Guess who that would be, she is already experienced in the art of mentally bending people to her will?
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Old July 5 2013, 02:09 AM   #17
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What you're describing is the Terran Federation from Blake's Seven.

What about population control between ones legs?

I can see idiots who can't manage their contraception being shipped off to a colony.

Besides, Earth isn't really Earth.

Most of the landscape would be the administrative and regulative bodies for the Federation.

Millions of office complexes.

When they were figuring out division of labour for the Federation in the beginning, Earth was the ugly redhead. Politically young and technologically pathetic, they were the only power at the table who could be trusted to act as the seat of the Federation because they were the most powerless to take advatage of the situation.

Although they wouldn't hand over Earth outright, I can see a series of hundred year leases which are renewed amid a huge amount of yelling as the Federation et al has to hand over god knows what to "humanity" to keep their government in working order and the Earthlings off Earth.

Not too dissimilar to the debt ceiling crisis and the sequester in the US of Late.
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Old July 5 2013, 09:54 AM   #18
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Are their Starfleet deserters? Can't you quit whenever you like? Or do you sign up for a set amount of years and are then legally bound to it?
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Old July 5 2013, 10:01 AM   #19
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Are their Starfleet deserters? Can't you quit whenever you like? Or do you sign up for a set amount of years and are then legally bound to it?
Ensign Stefan DeSeve from "Face of the Enemy" would be another, he deserted when he defected to the Romulans.

One thing always did puzzle me about Riley Frazier, how'd she get out to the DQ? Are they implying that following Wolf 359 the Cube launched a Sphere that travelled all the way back to Borg space with several assimilated crewmembers from the battle? Seems a very odd thing to do in the middle of an invasion (surely they would need every available drone for taking on something the size of the UFP). And they managed to do it without it being detected.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:25 AM   #20
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The Federation offered no Resistance.

One drone should have been able to take the entire Federation after they got the phaser frequencies sorted out.

Besides did the Queen seduce Picard by teletransmission into his mind, or was she actually there, as according to a literal reading of the movie, that she must have left before the Cube was scuttled.

All the ships that Cube attacked were not necessarily destroyed more so than boarded and their crews assimilated. The Cube didn't have to release a Sphere, because all that wreckage was recycling itself into a new Borg Fleet... Or at least the larger chunks. Maybe they took back booty, and maybe the Borg issued a retreat order when they saw that the Cube had been lost?

The fact of the matter is that Riley was a survivor of Wolf 359.
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Old July 5 2013, 10:42 AM   #21
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All the ships that Cube attacked were not necessarily destroyed more so than boarded and their crews assimilated. The Cube didn't have to release a Sphere, because all that wreckage was recycling itself into a new Borg Fleet... Or at least the larger chunks. Maybe they took back booty, and maybe the Borg issued a retreat order when they saw that the Cube had been lost?
That is an idea I hadn't considered and would be very plausible. They boarded the Roosevelt and began assimilating the ship and crew, but were no where near ready before the Cube moved out of Wolf 359, or for the E-D's arrival.

Then following the incident above Earth they were ordered to return to the DQ. They could have easily developed a transwarp coil and gotten out of UFP space before they were noticed.

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Old July 5 2013, 06:12 PM   #22
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So it's all about paperwork.
I would guess. I mean, I can't imagine that someone would be punished for leaving a position that he doesn't want to be in. That's not good for the person in question or for Starfleet. More oppressive governments on Romulus or Cardassia might have different rules, but the Federation seems to be okay with people coming and going as they please, as long as they don't break any rules in the process.

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Old July 5 2013, 07:03 PM   #23
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I wonder what Riley's friends' and family's reactions were when they found out she wasn't killed at Wolf 359, was miraculously freed from the Borg years later, yet didn't want to return home and would rather kick it with her new drone posse.
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Old July 5 2013, 11:19 PM   #24
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Are their Starfleet deserters? Can't you quit whenever you like? Or do you sign up for a set amount of years and are then legally bound to it?
Ensign Stefan DeSeve from "Face of the Enemy" would be another, he deserted when he defected to the Romulans.

One thing always did puzzle me about Riley Frazier, how'd she get out to the DQ? Are they implying that following Wolf 359 the Cube launched a Sphere that travelled all the way back to Borg space with several assimilated crewmembers from the battle? Seems a very odd thing to do in the middle of an invasion (surely they would need every available drone for taking on something the size of the UFP). And they managed to do it without it being detected.
I just figured that the drones beamed over to some of the ships at Wolf 359, assimilated the crew on those ships and then flew the assimilated ships to the DQ. In my novelization of tBoBW (link in signature), I mention that they detect some Federation engine signatures heading away from Earth.
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Old July 5 2013, 11:33 PM   #25
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I just figured that the drones beamed over to some of the ships at Wolf 359, assimilated the crew on those ships and then flew the assimilated ships to the DQ. In my novelization of tBoBW (link in signature), I mention that they detect some Federation engine signatures heading away from Earth.
And it makes perfect sense, too! Federation technology was still new to the Borg at the time of "The Best of Both Worlds," so they'd have wanted ships to take back to the Collective.

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Old July 5 2013, 11:39 PM   #26
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Federation technology was shit.

They thought Q snapping his fingers was a "stardrive" in possession of the Federation, which is what they really wanted.
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Old July 6 2013, 12:09 AM   #27
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^Did the Borg know that? They clearly wanted something from the Federation, or they wouldn't have bothered with them in the first place. They took Picard because they wanted a spokesperson who could relate to humans, but that had nothing to do with Starfleet's technology or equipment.

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Old July 6 2013, 12:47 AM   #28
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The Enterprise arrived out of no where in Q-Who?. They chased it, and then ZOOM. The bastard just left them for dust.

The Borg ignore inferior embarrassing species. To get their hands on Omega, the first bread crumb they assimilated was a low tech world that had a campfire story about "something way cool".

They might have thought "Q" was a human built stardrive in the beginning, a delicious piece of technology, but quickly they would have realized that the assimilation Humanity was merely a necessary stepping stone to the eventual assimilation of the Q Continuum.
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Old July 6 2013, 04:46 AM   #29
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^Did the Borg know that? They clearly wanted something from the Federation, or they wouldn't have bothered with them in the first place. They took Picard because they wanted a spokesperson who could relate to humans, but that had nothing to do with Starfleet's technology or equipment.

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The way I see it, the Borg went back in time in FC so they could send information about the future to the Borg of the past. I base this on the following points:
  1. Apart from a few shots fired towards the surface when they first arrived, the Borg did nothing at all to stop Z's flight until AFTER the deflector dish was destroyed. Once the dish is destroyed, the Queen tells Data, "There's been a change of plan," and the Borg start trying to stop Z again.
  2. And what were they doing with the dish anyway? Calling for reinforcements? The Borg didn't need reinforcements, Humanity was in terrible shape. And anyway, they could easily assimilate people to increase their numbers. it's far more logical to me that the deflector dish was an attempt to send the 21st century Borg information about the 24th century Federation and/or 24th century Borg.

So, the message that the Borg send tell the Collective about the Federation gets the Queen in the 24th century curious, and she sends two ships. The first is the one that the Hansens found and followed back to the DQ. The second is the one we saw in Q Who. It comes along, assimilates a Federation outpost and some Romulan outposts (The Neutral Zone), then figures that Humans and Romulans aren't very different to what the Borg can find back in the DQ. And it's a waste of resources to go halfway across the galaxy to get something you can get in your own backyard. So the ship starts back home.

But then Q flings the Enterprise into the Cube's path, and the Borg are all of a sudden, "How did this ship get out here?" They try to assimialte it to find out, but then Picard says he needs Q, and Q sends the Enterprise back to the Federation.

The Borg figure that the Feds have some cool engine technology that they must have missed, and the Cube turns around and heads back towards Earth, and we see it again in BoBW.

Also, I never bought the idea that the Borg wanted Picard as a spokesman. What, only a Human Borg could say, "We will assimilate you, resistance is futile?" I think it's more likely that the Queen wanted to use Picard as an example, as a way of showing how much power she had over the Federation.
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You're forgetting that the Borg think that the Borg are the good guys, and everything they do is in the best interest of the galaxy. They are not trying to kill anyone, in fact the Borg are trying to save the galaxy from itself.

Their aim is to improve quality of life.

Picard's inclusion into the process allowed for the Borg to dramatically reduce the anticipated loss of life during the assimilation of the Federation, which probably took a great weight off their conscience.
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