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Old June 18 2013, 06:27 PM   #91
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Re: The Prime Alternative

Very nice work... there is one technical issue I was wondering if you could address, and then I have two thoughts to share:

On the underside of the primary hull, the spotlights just seem wrong. They seem to start from behind the light-source. Is there something I am missing to explain why the lighting seems to start a few feet closer to the center of the saucer than the light-sources would suggest?

As far as aesthetics:

Having the three portholes forward on the bow seems out of place given the otherwise TMP era placement of windows. That somewhat stands in my way of appreciating the bow views as much as I might otherwise.

I personally find the fan blades too jarring. I prefer a clouded bussard... or the version found on Enterprise NX-01... gives the appearance of a reactive torrid as opposed to some big mechanical structure that seems to serve no useful purpose.

Those are my perspectives on this ship, which I find to be an amazing work of art. I'll be super excited to see the physical model.

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Old June 18 2013, 07:10 PM   #92
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Re: The Prime Alternative

Hi Rob... Thank you very much for all your kind words...
Since you raised several issues regarding the design concepts that went into this build... I believe they may all be answered by your review of this posting(s) about the Design Concepts:

1701 Prime Alternative


>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=51475


>[SIZE=2] CLASS-F SHUTTLECRAFT GALILEO by The Prime Alternative[/SIZE]

http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=50717

Please let us know what you think following your review...
-Rick

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Old June 18 2013, 08:48 PM   #93
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Re: The Prime Alternative

FatherRob wrote: View Post
Very nice work... there is one technical issue I was wondering if you could address, and then I have two thoughts to share:

On the underside of the primary hull, the spotlights just seem wrong. They seem to start from behind the light-source. Is there something I am missing to explain why the lighting seems to start a few feet closer to the center of the saucer than the light-sources would suggest?

As far as aesthetics:

Having the three portholes forward on the bow seems out of place given the otherwise TMP era placement of windows. That somewhat stands in my way of appreciating the bow views as much as I might otherwise.

I personally find the fan blades too jarring. I prefer a clouded bussard... or the version found on Enterprise NX-01... gives the appearance of a reactive torrid as opposed to some big mechanical structure that seems to serve no useful purpose.

Those are my perspectives on this ship, which I find to be an amazing work of art. I'll be super excited to see the physical model.

Rob+
Hi Rob,

Yeah, I think every one of the spotlights is fudged, to get it to look the way that I wanted. The way the lamps work in the software isn't really the way that a real light would work... that's why most ships and things even on TV shows now have impossible looking lights; if the actual light sources were where all the bulbs are, they wouldn't give the nice fan patterns we are used to seeing on ships. That being said, the lights are overlapping my physical lightbulbs, which should be impossible. I hadn't noticed that, until now.

I think that on the model for TMP, they used external lights and dental mirrors to light up the spots they wanted, for the same kind of reason.

As far as the Nacelle Domes go, some people like the clear ones with parts inside, some don't. I think the ones on the physical model are going to look great though... I can't wait to see them.

Thanks for taking a look, and I'm glad you like it.

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Old June 19 2013, 10:31 PM   #94
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Re: The Prime Alternative

Your project is fantastic!
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Old June 21 2013, 07:08 PM   #95
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MadMan1701A wrote: View Post
FatherRob wrote: View Post
Very nice work... there is one technical issue I was wondering if you could address, and then I have two thoughts to share:

On the underside of the primary hull, the spotlights just seem wrong. They seem to start from behind the light-source. Is there something I am missing to explain why the lighting seems to start a few feet closer to the center of the saucer than the light-sources would suggest?

As far as aesthetics:

Having the three portholes forward on the bow seems out of place given the otherwise TMP era placement of windows. That somewhat stands in my way of appreciating the bow views as much as I might otherwise.

I personally find the fan blades too jarring. I prefer a clouded bussard... or the version found on Enterprise NX-01... gives the appearance of a reactive torrid as opposed to some big mechanical structure that seems to serve no useful purpose.

Those are my perspectives on this ship, which I find to be an amazing work of art. I'll be super excited to see the physical model.

Rob+
Hi Rob,

Yeah, I think every one of the spotlights is fudged, to get it to look the way that I wanted. The way the lamps work in the software isn't really the way that a real light would work... that's why most ships and things even on TV shows now have impossible looking lights; if the actual light sources were where all the bulbs are, they wouldn't give the nice fan patterns we are used to seeing on ships. That being said, the lights are overlapping my physical lightbulbs, which should be impossible. I hadn't noticed that, until now.

I think that on the model for TMP, they used external lights and dental mirrors to light up the spots they wanted, for the same kind of reason.

As far as the Nacelle Domes go, some people like the clear ones with parts inside, some don't. I think the ones on the physical model are going to look great though... I can't wait to see them.

Thanks for taking a look, and I'm glad you like it.

-Ricky
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Old June 21 2013, 10:47 PM   #96
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Your project is fantastic!
Thanks!!! ... we really appreciate all the compliments



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Old June 22 2013, 03:13 AM   #97
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One word, Awesome!
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Old June 24 2013, 06:47 AM   #98
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One word, Awesome!
Thanks man... really appreciate that



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Old July 3 2013, 12:46 AM   #99
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Great stuff! You've updated the TOS look without losing the TOS look!
Thanks



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Old July 4 2013, 05:44 AM   #100
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This is a great job at re-rendering the original USS Enterprise, just like deg3D and Vektor did years ago. Any of your three variants would have been a proud movie version of the Enterprise that truly retained the spirit of the original with the details modern audiences would have wanted, and could plausibly be refitted into the original Motion Picture version of the ship. Please keep up the great work!
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Old July 4 2013, 05:56 AM   #101
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FatherRob wrote: View Post
Very nice work... there is one technical issue I was wondering if you could address, and then I have two thoughts to share:

On the underside of the primary hull, the spotlights just seem wrong. They seem to start from behind the light-source. Is there something I am missing to explain why the lighting seems to start a few feet closer to the center of the saucer than the light-sources would suggest?

As far as aesthetics:

Having the three portholes forward on the bow seems out of place given the otherwise TMP era placement of windows. That somewhat stands in my way of appreciating the bow views as much as I might otherwise.

I personally find the fan blades too jarring. I prefer a clouded bussard... or the version found on Enterprise NX-01... gives the appearance of a reactive torrid as opposed to some big mechanical structure that seems to serve no useful purpose.

Those are my perspectives on this ship, which I find to be an amazing work of art. I'll be super excited to see the physical model.

Rob+
For the ramscoops, it'd be nice to see a bit of swirling gas in there while the spinning blades are in motion, giving the idea that they're drawing interstellar gas in, perhaps towards the center bulge there.
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Old July 4 2013, 04:54 PM   #102
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It's a beautiful design, the blue and orange looks nice.
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Old July 4 2013, 05:14 PM   #103
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Re: The Prime Alternative

Hey Mad Man, just wanted to say great work and thank you for being an inspiration for me.

Also what programs did you use to render and composite?
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Old July 5 2013, 09:44 PM   #104
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Very nice work... there is one technical issue I was wondering if you could address, and then I have two thoughts to share:

I personally find the fan blades too jarring. I prefer a clouded bussard... or the version found on Enterprise NX-01... gives the appearance of a reactive torrid as opposed to some big mechanical structure that seems to serve no useful purpose.

Those are my perspectives on this ship, which I find to be an amazing work of art. I'll be super excited to see the physical model.

Rob+
For the ramscoops, it'd be nice to see a bit of swirling gas in there while the spinning blades are in motion, giving the idea that they're drawing interstellar gas in, perhaps towards the center bulge there.


Thanks for your suggestions but I never liked of the whole bussard collector / ramscoop concept...

I believe it was Vektor that once wrote (and I agree 100% with the statement below)
“Originally the Bussard Collectors weren't Bussard Collectors at all. I'm familiar with the design lineage. I don't like the concept of bussard collectors for several reasons. Bussard conceived them as part of a ramscoop drive system that really isn't applicable to a Trek ship other than for fuel replenishment, and there are certain problems with that as well. I just don't think they make sense other than as a one-off plot device. Arguably, the nacelles on the TOS Enterprise and the TMP refit never had bussard collectors and that innovation didn't come into use until the TNG era, which is the explanation I prefer.”

“So, if they're not bussard collectors, what are they?
➢ matter/energy sinks work just fine for me.”

In any case, the TOS rotating fan blades / bands and or veins, have always struck us as mechanical, inside a physical Nacelle Dome… Which is the design path Ricky and I have followed for this ship!

I'm also not a big fan of the "swirling plasma" concept either. I kinda subscribe to the concept that the rotating fan (clockwise & counter clockwise) blades create magnetic fields that shape the warp bubble around the ship…. Just a thought


See some of Our Design Concepts: 1701 Prime Alternative
>http://www.modelermagic.com/?p=51475
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Old July 5 2013, 09:57 PM   #105
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