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Old July 3 2013, 09:35 PM   #16
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Re: BBC tried to stop production on New Who twice!

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Ho. Lee. Fuck. That is the stupidest thing I have ever heard.
Depends. If they intended to broadcast it in French in Quebec, it doesn't sound unreasonable to me.
Obviously they need to re-dub the dialogue to present the show in another language, but the implication of the article is that CBC wanted to re-dup it with a Canadian actor for the English version. After all why would RTD object to re-dubbing for the French version. For that matter, why would only Eccleston be re-dubbed if it were the French version they were talking about?
That would seem to be the implication of the article, but it's vague enough that I wouldn't want to draw any conclusions. Although the other possibility -- that the CBC wanted to justify it as "Canadian content" to comply with Canadian content requirements, and that dubbing Eccleston was an attempt to do that -- sounds just bureaucratically stupid enough to be true.
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Old July 4 2013, 01:22 AM   #17
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Re: BBC tried to stop production on New Who twice!

Cripes. Why did the BBC even bring Michael Grade back? Tried to kill Doctor Who, lost the rights to Dallas, cancelled Blackadder, etc. Was his time at Channel 4 that good in comparison?
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Old July 4 2013, 01:39 AM   #18
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Just for the record it was Jonathan Powell who cancelled Doctor Who in 1985, Grade just OKed it.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:13 AM   #19
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His time at Channel 4 was OK. Not as good, or rather interesting, as his predecessor Jeremy Isaac's, but he was the last Channel 4 boss who really maintained the mandate to be different that Isaacs had established. Grade's successors let C4 slide into a morass of Big Brother, property porn and make-over shows.
But he was brought back simply because the BBC was in a bad way, and he was seen as a media profesional who could sort it out: the director general and the chairman of the board of governors had both been forced to quit after a row with the government over the BBC's coverage of the government case for going to war with Iraq (a row which, officially speaking, the Blair government had won, but which did so much damage to its reputation that it arguably came off even worse than the BBC. Remember those old silent comedies which end with the warring neighbours both standing in the ruins of their homes? A bit like that...).
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Old July 4 2013, 11:44 AM   #20
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Just for the record it was Jonathan Powell who cancelled Doctor Who in 1985, Grade just OKed it.
But didn't Grade insist on the 18 month hiatus during Colin Baker's tenure?
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Old July 4 2013, 02:01 PM   #21
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Just for the record it was Jonathan Powell who cancelled Doctor Who in 1985, Grade just OKed it.
But didn't Grade insist on the 18 month hiatus during Colin Baker's tenure?
Yes. Grade was the Controller of BBC1 who had to OK the decision, but Jonathan Powell was the man one step down, as head of drama department, who among other things had to make cuts if he was going to fund the launch of Eastenders that year. So he suggested getting rid of Who (he seems to have disliked it in particular, but wasn't keen on anything that predated his time in charge, as almost every established series went when he took over), and Grade saw no good reason to second guess his recommendation, as he didn't like the series much either.
So, Powell decided to drop Doctor Who, and Grade confirmed his recomendation. And then took the flak in public while Powell hid.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:42 PM   #22
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The French version? Not enough shrugging. Or Gauloise cigarettes.
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Old July 4 2013, 02:50 PM   #23
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^What would he say instead of 'Allonz-y?'
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Old July 4 2013, 03:03 PM   #24
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^What would he say instead of 'Allonz-y?'
I was going to say "Let's Go" in English but being French he'd probably still insist on saying "Allons-y".
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Old July 5 2013, 09:52 AM   #26
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Back to Grade, IIRC when he appeared on TV's Room 101 (the idea, for those who haven't seen it, is you pick all the things you hate and put them into the titular room to get rid of them - it takes the title from Orwell's 1984, though the room there was used as a torture room, not for getting rid of them), he did nominate Doctor Who as one of his pet hates.

So while the hiatus and cancellation may not have been his ideas, his subordinates were pushing an open door when they brought them to him.
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I was going to say "Let's Go" in English but being French he'd probably still insist on saying "Allons-y".
Should say it in Welsh.
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Lots of planets have a Canada apparently...
And it would appear SG-1 of Stargate Command visit a different one of them every couple of weeks.
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And it would appear SG-1 of Stargate Command visit a different one of them every couple of weeks.
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Back to Grade, IIRC when he appeared on TV's Room 101 (the idea, for those who haven't seen it, is you pick all the things you hate and put them into the titular room to get rid of them - it takes the title from Orwell's 1984, though the room there was used as a torture room, not for getting rid of them), he did nominate Doctor Who as one of his pet hates.

So while the hiatus and cancellation may not have been his ideas, his subordinates were pushing an open door when they brought them to him.
While I think that's right, Grade admits he's a shameless self-publicist, and adopted the trademark red braces and so on as a publicity tool, so I suspect that once he'd become known as 'The man who killed Doctor Who' he rather enjoyed playing up to the image...
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