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Old July 2 2013, 02:23 PM   #16
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

Besides the legal issues, there's the fact that a character created as a one-shot may not have been designed the same way you would have if you'd known he was going to be a regular. So, yeah, they may have have wanted the actor to play a character like Locarno, but they also wanted a free hand to reinvent the character for long-term use.

Kinda like the way the Trill makeup changed between that one-shot TNG episode and DS9. Again, what worked for one episode wasn't deemed attractive or sexy enough for Jadzia so they didn't feel obliged to stick with the old makeup design.
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Old July 2 2013, 02:40 PM   #17
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

Although, when it came to Tom Paris and Nick Locarno, even the writers of Voyager occasionally mixed them up and there were a few instances where Tom talks about his past as though he were Locarno.

Not to mention Admiral Paris for some reason has a picture of Locarno in his office.
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Old July 2 2013, 03:23 PM   #18
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

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They didn't want Nick Locarno in "The First Duty" because using him as a main character on VOY would mean Paramount would have to pay "The First Duty" writers every time they used the Locarno character. They didn't want to do that so they created Tom Paris for Robert Duncan to play.
Wouldn't any character they wrote for the series be property of Paramount at the time ? Isn't that standard practice, that the stuff you write for the series isn't yours, like programs you code for a company aren't yours ?
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Old July 2 2013, 03:37 PM   #19
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Why didn't they keep Marc Alaimo's character Gul Macet, in TNG's "The Wounded" instead of creating DS9's Gul Dukat ...
Like others have said about Locarno/Paris, I also think having Dukat be Macet doesn't work. The character on DS9 was the person who ran the occupation of Bajor. This likely wouldn't be the same person Cardassia would send to deal with the situation in "The Wounded."
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Old July 2 2013, 03:44 PM   #20
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

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Armin Shimerman in fact played two different Ferengi before becoming Quark. In addition to Letek, he was also Bractor in TNG's Peak Performance.
And he played a box.

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Although, when it came to Tom Paris and Nick Locarno, even the writers of Voyager occasionally mixed them up and there were a few instances where Tom talks about his past as though he were Locarno.
So does B'elanna, who at one point mentions he was expelled from the Academy.
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Old July 2 2013, 03:58 PM   #21
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

Spock had to do a double-take when he first saw the Romulan Commander in BOT. He looks a lot like his dad!

Sisko must have been shocked when he noticed his dad looked like a certain traitorous Admiral from TUC.

I wonder what would have happened if Liquidator Brunt met Weyoun?!
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Old July 2 2013, 04:09 PM   #22
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Why didn't they keep Marc Alaimo's character Gul Macet, in TNG's "The Wounded" instead of creating DS9's Gul Dukat or keep Robert Duncan McNeill's character Nick Locarno in "The First Duty" instead of creating Tom Paris? They were basically playing the same characters, why the switch?

Any other similar actor as same character roles?
If I recall correctly, a different actor was cast as "Gul Dukat" originally, but the producers didn't think the character was working out the way they wanted. I guess they decided to go back to Marc Alaimo, who originated the Cardassians with his appearance as Gul Macet. Alaimo managed to give both Macet and Dukat some charm with hidden menace, which I imagine is what they wanted from Sisko's sparring partner.
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Old July 2 2013, 05:05 PM   #23
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

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Although, when it came to Tom Paris and Nick Locarno, even the writers of Voyager occasionally mixed them up and there were a few instances where Tom talks about his past as though he were Locarno.

Not to mention Admiral Paris for some reason has a picture of Locarno in his office.
I read somewhere that the writers originally wanted RDM to play Locarno again in VOY, but at the last minute decided that Locarno was too irredeemable to use. Not wanting to recast the role, they simply renamed the character and white-washed his background so that RDM could play him the same way.
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Old July 2 2013, 05:15 PM   #24
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Read the rest of the topic.
That's not very nice.

I did, by the way. Doesn't answer my question.
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Old July 2 2013, 06:11 PM   #25
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

The rules about using characters like this was something like this:

- If the character appeared once and only once, then it's the intellectual property of the writer and thus Royalties must be paid for further usage.

- If said character/idea/concept was used more than once in the series it originated in, it's now the property of the series and not the individual writer.

If Locarno had appeared more than once in TNG, he's be the property of the series and thus no Royalties would be paid.

It's the same reason we rarely if ever saw the Tholians or Gorn or various TOS one-shot aliens again. We did see them in that ENT episode, but that was because they were willing to pay for short-term use.
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Old July 2 2013, 07:58 PM   #26
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

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They didn't want Nick Locarno in "The First Duty" because using him as a main character on VOY would mean Paramount would have to pay "The First Duty" writers every time they used the Locarno character. They didn't want to do that so they created Tom Paris for Robert Duncan to play.
Wouldn't any character they wrote for the series be property of Paramount at the time ? Isn't that standard practice, that the stuff you write for the series isn't yours, like programs you code for a company aren't yours ?
We'd have to see the particulars of the contract to know for sure. Perhaps we'll be fortunate and some of our resident writers will chime in and help clear the mud.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:15 PM   #27
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We'd have to see the particulars of the contract to know for sure. Perhaps we'll be fortunate and some of our resident writers will chime in and help clear the mud.
That could be interesting.

For the record, I understand book publishing. I don't pretend to know how TV contracts work.
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Old July 2 2013, 10:51 PM   #28
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Macet and Dukat were retconned as relatives or something, in the novel series, I think
Yep. They're cousins.
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Old July 3 2013, 02:19 AM   #29
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

And Rom was actually that Ferengi in Captain's Holiday, and maybe Tuvok was actually that guy from Starship Mine undercover and he somehow transported away before the baryon sweep got him!


I don't think Nick Lacarno was unredeemable. He was reckless and got a teammate killed, and then he covered it up. An act of recklessness followed by an act of fear. How many real people do you know who, if they really screwed up, would come forward and admit it? If he served his time in prison, then he learned from his mistake and worked earnestly to make up for it, he could absolutely be redeemed.
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Old July 3 2013, 02:23 AM   #30
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Re: Why didn't they just keep their characters?

Lacarno was a pilot who caused an accident that killed someone and then covered it up, but took responsibility when he was narced on by Wesley.

Paris was a pilot who caused an accident that killed some people and then covered it up, but later confessed to it.

Two way different characters!
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