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Old July 2 2013, 11:12 PM   #31
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Actually, I'm fairly sure I called them all batshit crazy. In my defence, they are.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:12 PM   #32
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

God created the universe and all that is in it. Whether he placed Man and Woman in a paradisical setting is irelevant. It's all about faith.

I see as many evolutionists get nuts over creation as I do creationists get nuts over evolution.

The thing is, with faith one can accept that there are things that mankind can't understand, no matter how far science advances. That's not a slam at scientists or evolutionists.

There are simply things in the universe beyond human comprehension. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't keep trying, but it does mean that some things should not be tampered with. It's when humans become arrogant in the face of God that we get into trouble. Humility and the awareness of consequences of our actions is what keeps us from destoying ourselves.

My favorite quote, from Blue Oyster Cult of all things, is "history shows again and again how nature points out the folly of men."
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Old July 2 2013, 11:14 PM   #33
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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God created the universe and all that is in it
Er, no.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:14 PM   #34
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^ I think John Paul II was the first pope to specifically state that he believed in evolution, but the Catholic Church has never opposed evolution.
maybe they are trying to make up for opposing the heliocentric solar system.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:16 PM   #35
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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God created the universe and all that is in it
Er, no.
Thanks, but that's your opinion. Get back to me when you have proof.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:17 PM   #36
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^ I think John Paul II was the first pope to specifically state that he believed in evolution, but the Catholic Church has never opposed evolution.
maybe they are trying to make up for opposing the heliocentric solar system.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:18 PM   #37
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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God created the universe and all that is in it
Er, no.
Thanks, but that's your opinion. Get back to me when you have proof.
Your assertion is proof of nothing.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:18 PM   #38
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

Romans 5 is founded on a literal Adam and Eve. Romans 5:18-19 is the specific verses:

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Old July 2 2013, 11:19 PM   #39
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God created the universe and all that is in it
Er, no.
Thanks, but that's your opinion. Get back to me when you have proof.
The burden of proof lies with you.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:26 PM   #40
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I'd like to think that creation was perfect. How we got some imperfect was we as a society took that creation, spit all over it, fell in love with temptation and here we are. A person is smart. People are stupid disgusting ingrates.
What an awful, depressing foundation to build a belief system on, and a terrible outlook on your fellow human beings. Original sin is questionable enough as it is, but your personal interpretation turns the ugliness up to eleven.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:28 PM   #41
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It's hard to know which way to turn when, one side says it has infallible truth and the other has scientific proof, isn't it?
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Old July 2 2013, 11:31 PM   #42
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Re: Why are Creationists so afraid of Evolution?

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It's hard to know which way to turn when, one side says it has infallible truth and the other has scientific proof, isn't it?
No, all it requires is a bit of thought on what you need as a person. There's nothing wrong with belief; neither is there anything wrong with a lack of belief. It's what you do with that belief, or lack thereof, that makes all the difference.

Want to preach, in your church, that the Earth is 6,000 years old and created by God? Be my guest. Want to force that sermon into a science class? Now I have a problem with it. The reverse is also true.

One can advocate scientific discovery, while also having a faith system. That said, I will always take supported evidence over religious belief any day, because at the end of the day, belief is still just that.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:31 PM   #43
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Er, no.
Thanks, but that's your opinion. Get back to me when you have proof.
The burden of proof lies with you.
Not so much. I accept that there are things that we can't comprehend. I state my beliefs and stand behind them. It's called "faith."

If you want to challenge that, go ahead. But don't expect me to argue the point for your entertainment.

Nice talkin' to ya.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:31 PM   #44
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I dunno, why do non-believers think it's necessary to rip into believers? You'd think given the totality of history they of all people would be open to tolerance among different ideas instead of just returning the favor as it were.

Isn't the reverse also true at times where believers rip into non-believers?

But isn't the question more about what we teach our children. I perhaps hold a rather simply view Evolution is taught in science classes, whilst Creationism, Intelligent Design etc.. can be taught in Relgious Classes. Creationism, Intelligent design simply has no place in a science class.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:32 PM   #45
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It's hard to know which way to turn when, one side says it has infallible truth and the other has scientific proof, isn't it?
Only if you insist religion must be the explanation for the physical as well as metaphysical.
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