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Old July 2 2013, 08:41 PM   #31
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Re: Star Trek Into Darkness review by Steve Burgess

I know why he acted the way he did.

The emotional bubble bursting had already been covered in the first movie (and far more effectively I might add) and by repeating the trick here (only this time presenting the audience with a sense of anticipation and excitement) they've essentially created their own little Bruce Banner who we won't be satisfied with until he's had his little Hulk out moment.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:51 PM   #32
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*shrug*

It worked.
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Old July 2 2013, 09:11 PM   #33
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I know why he acted the way he did.

The emotional bubble bursting had already been covered in the first movie (and far more effectively I might add) and by repeating the trick here (only this time presenting the audience with a sense of anticipation and excitement) they've essentially created their own little Bruce Banner who we won't be satisfied with until he's had his little Hulk out moment.

This does show that Spock is half-human, after all.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:23 PM   #34
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This does show that Spock is half-human, after all.
Yep. Spock Prime didn't realise this until he shed a tear for Vejur.

This Spock learned it earlier.
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Old July 3 2013, 04:16 AM   #35
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Yes, it's a loss of control but the way it was presented here was like watching Bruce Banner Hulk out; we can't wait until he catches up with the bad guys and gives them what for.

I feel that the first movie handled his outburst far more effectively, displaying genuine consequence, remorse and embarrassment. Having done so again in this movie (as part of its climax no less), a Spock-out has now become a thing that we're to look forward to and expect which I think is mistake.
I'm mixed on it. This was a much slower burn. In the first movie, spock lost his planet and mother and pointed out that earth was the only home he had left. The first half of the second movie had Spock in denial of his feelings. That's why he was so resigned to die on the planet. That's the point of Uhura's dialogue en route to Kronos and their later reconciliation. The second half saw Spock's suppression reach it's limits after he saw Khan "kill" Kirk and "raise his arms" on Uhura. Key point, Khan walks with murderous intent towards Uhura... Spock rips a piece of metal off the transport and beats Khan nearly dead in response... causing even Uhura to tell him to calm down.

Now Star Trek 3 could be more openly Spock centric since we've now wrapped up Kirk earning the chair he was given. Mind you, Spock saved the alien planet and stopped Kirks drone strike before beating Khan in both intellect and physical strength (while restraining himself from murdering Khan and his people) so this movie did have quite a bit of Spock's actions if not thoughts.
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Old July 3 2013, 04:22 AM   #36
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In the canon universe, it is Spock who dies to save the Enterprise. In Into Darkness, it is Kirk who goes into the warp core to face his own death.
I hate to break it to this guy, but the Abrams Trek films are canon.
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Old July 3 2013, 05:23 AM   #37
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It's not difficult: nuCanon, but Canon none the less!
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Old July 3 2013, 10:28 AM   #38
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HAHAHA BIG LOL...There are still trek fans who refuse to accept that jj's trek is canon.

memory alpha anyone?

last I checked JJ's trek is on memory alpha, the official canon Trek wiki. JJ's trek is not really featured on memory beta the unofficial Trek wiki.

Honestly I actually liked how the reviewer talked about the unique friendship between kirk and spock and how the re-acted scene in STiD was not a rip off. However what ruined the scene was Spock screaming Khan after kirk's death.

Spock screaming khan made the whole scene look like a serious parody.

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Old July 3 2013, 01:20 PM   #39
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It just sounds like he got his terminology confused between canon/non-canon and the prime universe/alternate universe, not that he's denying that this counts as part of the overall Trek canon.
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Old July 3 2013, 04:56 PM   #40
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Canon is a myth.
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Old July 4 2013, 01:10 AM   #41
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JJ's trek is not really featured on memory beta the unofficial Trek wiki.
Huh? The comics and YA novels are there, IIRC.

It's only time before the information permeates all the existing entries.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_%28IDW%29

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Al...8Nero,_2233%29

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Gaila_%28Orion%29
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Old July 4 2013, 01:24 AM   #42
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JJ's trek is not really featured on memory beta the unofficial Trek wiki.
Huh? The comics and YA novels are there, IIRC.

It's only time before the information permeates all the existing entries.

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Star_Trek_%28IDW%29

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Al...8Nero,_2233%29

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Gaila_%28Orion%29

what I meant is that the comics and novels and not featured in memory alpha's characters biography which means they are not really canon.

the comics and novels only get featured in memory beta characters biography which is a non canon trek wiki.

consider this two bios of spock:

http://memory-beta.wikia.com/wiki/Sp...ernate_reality)

http://en.memory-alpha.org/wiki/Spoc...ernate_reality)

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Old July 4 2013, 01:53 AM   #43
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Canon is a myth.
No.. NO!
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Old July 4 2013, 03:54 AM   #44
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Well I agree with this:

Steve Burgess wrote:
The film also displays an annoying streak of sexism. On the way to a dangerous planetary mission, Uhuru decides to start a relationship squabble with Spock. Oh, those women Starfleet officers! And Kirk, that rascal, welcomes a new female officer on board with a leer that suggests we've all been beamed into the offices of Sterling Cooper Draper Pryce. On the Enterprise, the future is looking pretty retro.

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It's too bad they reverted back to a 1960's way of doing things after boldly creating a fresh take on an old show with the 2009 film, therefore updating it for newer audiences, but this is what they want to do...
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what I meant is that the comics and novel sand not featured in memory alpha's characters biography which means they are not really canon.
No, they've just split the bios into separate entries.

the comics and novels only get featured in memory beta characters biography which is a non canon trek wiki.
Is it stated policy of each Wiki, or is it just that the Memory Alpha contributors are more gung-ho than the Memory Beta contributors? After all, there have only been two canonical adventures since 2009, and only three fresh appearances by Prime timeline characters. There have been many novels and comics in that time, both Prime and new timelines, and (usually) fewer contributors to the non canon wiki.
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