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Old June 21 2013, 05:02 PM   #16
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

While your point is valid, the Borg stole all of that information from other cultures. Also, 7of9 was a member of the Borg with access to them. So it's more like information taken from a defector who was not personally guilty of large-scale warcrimes.

I think the Doctor's use of the hologram was insensitive and potentially dangerous given what we know of holo-intelligence.
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Old June 21 2013, 05:11 PM   #17
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

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While your point is valid, the Borg stole all of that information from other cultures. Also, 7of9 was a member of the Borg with access to them. So it's more like information taken from a defector who was not personally guilty of large-scale warcrimes.
Oh, don't get me wrong, I totally agree with using what knowledge Seven has.

But it would have been nice if they'd brought it up. For consistency's sake.
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Old June 22 2013, 01:00 AM   #18
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Using the treatment on B'elana was more an emotional decision, not an ethical one. It may have been ethically wrong to go against her wishes, but it's totally understandable not to be willing to make that decision to save somebody you care about.

It's true that it's not the facts discovered that committed the crimes, but using them and praising them does give tacit consent to using those methods so long as you don't get caught until it's all over. It was kind of silly to take out the vendetta against the real evil doctor on a holographic recreation of him.
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Old June 24 2013, 02:29 PM   #19
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

*Godwin ahead*

It does, honestly seem more like it'd be treated as TASTELESS versus criminal.

Like you want to design a really cheap fuel-efficient car and create a hologram of Hitler to help you plan it.
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Old June 27 2013, 06:29 AM   #20
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

Why did they have to use Crell's exact physical appearance parameters for the hologram in the first place?
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Old June 27 2013, 07:24 AM   #21
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

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Why did they have to use Crell's exact physical appearance parameters for the hologram in the first place?
For that matter, why didn't the doctor just incorporate Crell's research into his own program at the beginning? Calling up a holographic expert was silly when Geordi did it, and still silly when the EMH did it.
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Old June 27 2013, 11:37 PM   #22
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For that matter, why didn't the doctor just incorporate Crell's research into his own program at the beginning? Calling up a holographic expert was silly when Geordi did it, and still silly when the EMH did it.
This might actually be due to the fact that the Doctor thinks the differences between holograms and their knowledge is closer than a regular person to their knowledge. Besides, we know what happened when he incorporated knowledge from historical figures into himself.

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Old June 28 2013, 12:03 AM   #23
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

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Why did they have to use Crell's exact physical appearance parameters for the hologram in the first place?
For that matter, why didn't the doctor just incorporate Crell's research into his own program at the beginning? Calling up a holographic expert was silly when Geordi did it, and still silly when the EMH did it.
Eh, I can understand the rationale for Geordi doing it being he can't instantaneously download information. It only got silly once he started flirting with the holo expert.

The reason Crell was made into a holo? To give everyone including the audience someone to personify all the bad things done and interact with appropriately.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:26 AM   #24
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Re: Nothing Human/Moral Perspectives on Exobiology

The Crell program, even if he didn't have memories of the real Crell's war atrocities, seemed pretty unethical. So that's a reason to be wary of using him in future.

That said I wouldn't delete his existing knowledge. That's just pointless - it then just needs to be re-discovered in future, and lives might be lost needlessly before that happens.

re; Belanna, she has a duty to her crew. I'd be more sympathetic to her wishes if she was in a hospital back safe on earth.
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