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Star Trek Movies XI+ Discuss J.J. Abrams' rebooted Star Trek here.

View Poll Results: Grade the movie...
A+ 143 19.32%
A 160 21.62%
A- 99 13.38%
B+ 82 11.08%
B 58 7.84%
B- 27 3.65%
C+ 40 5.41%
C 38 5.14%
C- 24 3.24%
D+ 11 1.49%
D 13 1.76%
D- 10 1.35%
F 35 4.73%
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Old July 2 2013, 02:42 AM   #4471
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None, as Kirk was brought BACK FROM THE DEAD, rendering the poorly kid plot point entirely redundant.
If you think set-up scenes are redundant, I have a thing or two to tell you about narratives.
Yes, that was a pretty ridiculous statement. One might make some argument that the tribble scene was redundant - not a particularly persuasive one, but an argument nonetheless - but the opening with the child was proper set-up.

It's remarkable that some people are so quick to pronounce the "lazy writing" sentence on any story they dislike, then others turn around and go after writers when they do it right.
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Old July 2 2013, 05:22 AM   #4472
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It would make half the money, but if you halved the budget then Paramount would still be getting the same proportion of returns from its investment. You half the budget by trimming down the special effects, being far more careful and measured with the action scenes and cutting down on a bloated advertisement and promotion budget.
Yeah Paramount, think small!

Wasn't that fans' complaints about STs II, III, V and VI?

But with JJ's approach, the next Star Trek movies will still make as much money as STID. But by that time the franchise will be all but unrecognisable
No, it'll still be Star Trek.
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Old July 2 2013, 10:39 AM   #4473
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One might make some argument that the tribble scene was redundant - not a particularly persuasive one, but an argument nonetheless - but the opening with the child was proper set-up.
Horseshit. It set one thing up and then did an entirely different thing later on. You may as well have had him be able to shoot balloon animals from his ass.

As ridiculous as it is, the tribble scene was actually the superior set-up scene because it, y'know, set something up which actually paid off later in the film.

However, had they used McCoy to do a little research on Khan, discover the miracle child and then use that as a reason to run tests on the tribble it would have a. given McCoy something to do b. tightened that particular plot thread and c. rendered both the opening and tribble scene vital to the plot. As it stands now you could literally edit out the opening scene and lose nothing from the story.

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Old July 2 2013, 10:47 AM   #4474
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But if you edit out the opening, why is the father turning into a suicide bomber?
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Old July 2 2013, 10:55 AM   #4475
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You'd literally just start with the explosion. Is he ever brought up again or do they just say that Khan bombed some building?

EDIT: Remembered that he was brought up later in the briefing but my point still stands that you could lose that scene(s)

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Old July 2 2013, 11:34 AM   #4476
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If you think set-up scenes are redundant, I have a thing or two to tell you about narratives.
It's not a set-up scene if you set-up one thing and then do an entirely different thing later on.
Entirely different ? The blood saves the girl from a deadly condition, and later saves Kirk from a deadly condition. How is it even slightly different ?

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That would have been JJ Abram's approach, once an emotional climax has been reached let's hurtle to the next action scene or over-dramatic moment.
I don't get that. There's plenty of action in the movie but there's also quite a bit of dramatic tension and chatting. Did you guys all miss that ?

It would make half the money, but if you halved the budget then Paramount would still be getting the same proportion of returns from its investment.
But why would they lose hard cash ? To please you ?
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Old July 2 2013, 11:37 AM   #4477
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Entirely different ? The blood saves the girl from a deadly condition, and later saves Kirk from a deadly condition. How is it even slightly different ?
Being dead is entirely different to being alive.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:52 AM   #4478
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You'd literally just start with the explosion. Is he ever brought up again or do they just say that Khan bombed some building?
Yeah, why bother with any details, nuance or setting the scene. Hell, why bother with any of the film at all? Just start the film at the final ceremony, a voiceover can explain the rest.
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Old July 2 2013, 11:54 AM   #4479
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why bother with any of the film at all?
Good point.
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Old July 2 2013, 12:28 PM   #4480
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You should take that advice then, these folks will be all the better for it.
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Old July 2 2013, 02:11 PM   #4481
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Entirely different ? The blood saves the girl from a deadly condition, and later saves Kirk from a deadly condition. How is it even slightly different ?
Being dead is entirely different to being alive.
He was only mostly dead.
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Old July 2 2013, 02:18 PM   #4482
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Inconceivable!
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Old July 2 2013, 02:24 PM   #4483
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You may as well have had him be able to shoot balloon animals from his ass.
Bonus scenes of the DVD and Blu-Ray. Wait till you see it in 3D!
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Old July 2 2013, 02:26 PM   #4484
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Inconceivable!
Clearly not as someone thought of it and put it in the film (I'll spare you the prior series examples of the same thing ).
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Old July 2 2013, 02:41 PM   #4485
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As ridiculous as it is, the tribble scene was actually the superior set-up scene because it, y'know, set something up which actually paid off later in the film.
The setup was so obvious, though, that it made the plot too predictable.
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