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Old July 1 2013, 01:11 AM   #1666
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Jon's warging isn't only important to the character but possibly also a key to his plot if it is how he avoids the imminent death we saw in ADWD.
I think Mellisandre will simply do a Red God reversal on Jon. No warging necessary.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:24 AM   #1667
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Agreed on all counts. Jon's warging isn't only important to the character but possibly also a key to his plot if it is how he avoids the imminent death we saw in ADWD.
I think they will only have Bran be able to warg on the show, while ignoring the rest of the ability from the other Stark children. It makes Bran far more special, without making the audience question why everyone can't do it.
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Old July 1 2013, 03:33 AM   #1668
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Jon's warging isn't only important to the character but possibly also a key to his plot if it is how he avoids the imminent death we saw in ADWD.
I think Mellisandre will simply do a Red God reversal on Jon. No warging necessary.
The theory is that warging is what prevents Jon from losing parts of himself ala Stoneheart or Beric. His full consciousness is "saved" by hanging out in Ghost during the time he is dead.
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Old July 1 2013, 05:10 AM   #1669
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The theory is that warging is what prevents Jon from losing parts of himself ala Stoneheart or Beric. His full consciousness is "saved" by hanging out in Ghost during the time he is dead.
At this point, I think it might be too late to have the other Stark children warging into their wolves on the show without it seemly coming out of nowhere. We have at least been given hints of Bran's power in the first season.
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Old July 1 2013, 05:22 AM   #1670
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If they need John to warg then he'll warg. Audiences will be able to figure it out.
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Old July 1 2013, 07:18 AM   #1671
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Or Jon not being changed by the Red God revival will either be because Melisandre did it better, or because Jon's "special".
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Old July 1 2013, 08:00 AM   #1672
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When last we saw Jon he was collapsed in the snow at Castle Black right? Opening the next season with a Wolf PoV and then turning it into a twist when it is Jon who wakes up instead of Bran might work. The suggestion being that it takes being near death to trigger the warging ability, which also works effectively as foreshadowing.
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Old July 1 2013, 09:58 AM   #1673
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Rant over, before I head on to how much they've raped the character of Mance Rayder.
I don't know if you could say they've raped him given that they've hardly featured him. Which is odd, given that the chatter pre-season 3 was that they wanted a name actor, someone of the status of Sean Bean, for the role.

IIRC, The Wire's Dominic West was pursued but turned it down as he didn't want to be away from his family. Hinds is another actor with clout but he's had a handful of scenes. I can only assume that they're going to make more use of him in the next few seasons.

I'd say that there's a stronger argument that Tormund Giantsbane has been 'raped' as a character, though it seems to me that they've sort of merged him with the Magnar, even though the latter is apparently going to be in S4.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:15 PM   #1674
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The amount of screen time Mance has is in line with his appearances in A Storm of Swords, which are memorable but pretty minimal. It feels like less because the show has let all the air out of the character, wasting Ciaran Hinds and leaving one to wonder how this Mance ever got to be king in a society that rejects most notions of authority. But of course what really mattered was endless scenes of Jon and Ygritte exchanging flirty banter, even though they had already erased his arc in A Clash of Kings to overload us on those. That's also the problem with playing up the Tyrells so much in season three: the producers are skipping stuff that can't be done later in order to create dragged-out versions of stuff that can. We're going to get two more years of Cersei and Margaery exchanging veiled threats before anything actually happens between them.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:16 AM   #1675
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Arya's warging will be saved for season 4 for when she uses Nymeria to do...you know what.
Unlikely they're going to have that, given time issues.
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Old July 2 2013, 09:17 AM   #1676
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Arya's warging will be saved for season 4 for when she uses Nymeria to do...you know what.
Unlikely they're going to have that, given time issues.
They'll have a whole season to have some minor scenes of Arya warging until that particular scene, which will likely be the finale of S4 (the end of Book 3).
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Old July 4 2013, 04:52 PM   #1677
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They'll have a whole season to have some minor scenes of Arya warging until that particular scene, which will likely be the finale of S4 (the end of Book 3).
No, that really wouldn't work. The body was retrieved almost immediately after the wedding, before it could rot.
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Old July 4 2013, 06:38 PM   #1678
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I thought it was 3 days afterwards?
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Old July 4 2013, 09:44 PM   #1679
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Exactly, not long after. If Arya was going to retrieve the body via warg, we'd have seen that in the finale.
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Old July 5 2013, 06:27 AM   #1680
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Hmmm, that is a puzzler.
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