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Old July 1 2013, 11:54 PM   #1
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Roger Dean sues over movie Avatar

Roger Dean is the brilliant artist behind dozens of album covers from Yes, Asia, Uriah Heep and more.

Roger believes the movie's look borrowed heavily from his body of artwork (ie: floating islands, stone arches, etc.)

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Along with a cash settlement and a public statement admitting he was the creator of imagery used in the film, Dean wants Fox to “cease and desist from any further reproduction, distribution, transmission or other use.”

If judgement is found in his favour, it means the original version of Avatar would have to be scrapped, and any sequels will look massively different from the production seen on release.
With the way lawsuits go sometimes, he might just have a chance of winning this thing.
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Old July 2 2013, 12:10 AM   #2
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You can't copyright an artistic idea. Hence, floating mountains can't be copyrighted. Next...
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Old July 2 2013, 12:50 AM   #3
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You can't copyright an artistic idea. Hence, floating mountains can't be copyrighted. Next...
Why not try reading the document first? Parts 49 and 50 are particularly interesting. Apparently people in the production had stated that they were given Dean's work to base Avatar items and markings on.

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Entertainment Weekly reports that Cameron was asked in 2010 if he got the idea for floating mountains from a Yes album cover, and answered: “It might have been, back in my pot-smoking days.”
One would have thought that Cameron would have learned his lesson by now.

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Old July 2 2013, 12:53 AM   #4
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Re: Roger Dean sues over movie Avatar

Seems like it's more about the style of the images, rather than the content.

Someone with a lot more legal knowledge than myself would have to help out here. If the style looks too much like Dean's, maybe he has a case?

Funny that he waited 4 years to bring this up, though that guy claimed only a few years ago that he wrote the melody Men At Work used in the flute solo from Down Under. That was like, 25 years.
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Old July 2 2013, 01:29 AM   #5
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Re: Roger Dean sues over movie Avatar

He gonna sue these guys too?

http://thebooksmugglers.com/2011/02/...-neumeier.html

I'm not sure what it is, but guys seem to have gone a little sue-happy lately, what with this, and the class-action suit claiming millions in damages for the emotional trauma due to the fact that the Aliens:Colonial Marines footage from two years prior to the game's release was not in the actual game (I guess everyone should sue any studio that includes cut footage in their movie trailers huh?).
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Old July 2 2013, 01:54 AM   #6
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It's amazing how many people come out of the woodwork to sue for copyright infringement when a successfully and not terribly original movie comes out
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Old July 2 2013, 02:01 AM   #7
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So he doesn't want to be an influential artist, but rather "that jerk with the floating islands©".
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Old July 2 2013, 03:12 AM   #8
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Jonathan Swift is lining up his legal team right now...
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Old July 2 2013, 03:19 AM   #9
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It's amazing how many people come out of the woodwork to sue for copyright infringement when a successfully and not terribly original movie comes out
After the millionth suit over Star Wars, George Lucas once said "No one ever sued me over Howard the Duck."
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Old July 2 2013, 03:50 AM   #10
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Jonathan Swift is lining up his legal team right now...
Jon Stewart is going down. Heck, he even stole most of the letters from his name.

Artists influence each other. That's a given. This is just an opportunistic cash grab.
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Old July 2 2013, 03:53 AM   #11
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Apparently people in the production had stated that they were given Dean's work to base Avatar items and markings on.
Even if true, so what? You can't copyright the idea of a floating island, and the Hallelujah Mountains were heavily enough inspired by actual mountains in China as to make any ripping off claim silly and completely baseless in legal terms at best.

Draculasaurus is right. All this guy's doing is making himself look like an asshole to anyone who might consider hiring him in the future.
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Old July 2 2013, 04:13 AM   #12
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I never heard about people suing Lucas for Star Wars! Who did that? Isaac Asimov? The creators of Flash Gordon?
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Old July 2 2013, 06:22 AM   #13
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EnderAKH wrote: View Post
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It's amazing how many people come out of the woodwork to sue for copyright infringement when a successfully and not terribly original movie comes out
After the millionth suit over Star Wars, George Lucas once said "No one ever sued me over Howard the Duck."
Why would they sue George? Howard is owned by Marvel Comics. Of course Disney did threaten Marvel with legal action over Howard. Now they're all one big happy "family".
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Old July 2 2013, 07:36 AM   #14
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I did think that the floating mountains in Avatar looked very similar to my Yes album covers, all the way back in 2009!
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Old July 2 2013, 07:48 AM   #15
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Now N ow it is possible he hadn't seen anything to do with the film until now.

But I suspect you can't copyright floating islands as haven't they been used in fiction for decades? As for the look all you need to do is find pictures of a few real islands (Thailand perhaps) that look somewhat similar in style to the ones in Avatar.
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