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Old July 1 2013, 03:02 AM   #16
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Re: Satisfying Cancelled Show Endings

Jeremiah. It was the darnedest thing. If there'd been a third season, that ending could have been a cliffhanger. But since there wasn't it worked out to be a satisfactory ending.

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Old July 1 2013, 03:09 AM   #17
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Well, going back some ways, THE FUGITIVE was possibly the first American TV show to have a genuine finale. I still remember David Janssen finally catching up with the one-armed man.
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Old July 1 2013, 03:13 AM   #18
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I like how the last completed episode of "The Middle Man" ends with the main character remarking that all seems right with the world. I know there was a comic book released that was based on a subsequent script that would have been filmed had the show not been canceled, but it wasn't filmed and I haven't read it, so I'm not counting that.

"The 4400" ends on its best episode, one that really blows the story wide open in a way that may have been very difficult, if not next to impossible, to do on its budget, and it mostly works as an ending.

"Chuck" has three or four episodes that would have been relatively satisfying as an ending, had the show been canceled when it originally looked like it would. But NBC couldn't come up with anything better for 5 seasons so we got a planned ending, which a lot of fans don't even like as much as many of the earlier false-alarm series finales. I like them all, though, so I'm fine with what we ended up getting.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:23 AM   #19
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I like how the last completed episode of "The Middle Man" ends with the main character remarking that all seems right with the world. I know there was a comic book released that was based on a subsequent script that would have been filmed had the show not been canceled, but it wasn't filmed and I haven't read it, so I'm not counting that.
You should count it. It's great, and it's a much more definitive finale than the one we got (we even learn the Middleman's name!). And it has been "filmed," kind of -- there's a YouTube video out there of the entire cast doing a table read of the finale script (actually the comic version of the script, it seems) at Comic-Con.


"The 4400" ends on its best episode, one that really blows the story wide open in a way that may have been very difficult, if not next to impossible, to do on its budget, and it mostly works as an ending.
Yes, I think it was a good point to go out on. It was a genuine resolution to the story, the end of the story that had been told up to that point. True, it was the beginning of something new, but then, a lot of stories end with new beginnings (like, say, 2001, or any story that ends with a wedding).

However, the saga was wrapped up in a pair of post-finale novels by TrekBBS members Greg Cox and David Mack.


This may be a bit vindictive, but I think the recent V reboot series had a satisfying ending in a way even though it was meant to be a cliffhanger, with the alien leader Anna successfully conquering the Earth and enslaving all the human race except a small resistance. It's satisfying largely because it was a really terrible show and nothing became its life so well as its ending, but also because, in the entire finale, the only character who showed any admirable qualities was Anna herself. The heroes acted like total idiots, pinning their hopes on a really stupid assassination plan with no backup. Whereas Anna was smart, adaptable, careful, resourceful, and courageous and poised under fire, and ultimately triumphed through the love and loyalty she won from her people. So even though she was the villain and intended to enslave/destroy/devour humanity, she was the only character in the story who seemed like she deserved to win.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:39 AM   #20
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Heh, I just thought of V remake myself, LOL
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Old July 1 2013, 06:40 AM   #21
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Firefly (which, arguably, had a more satisfying conclusion on television than on the big screen).
I'd really like to hear those arguments, since FIREFLY was shown entirely out of order with the pilot last. Two episodes were not aired during first run. And there was no conclusion. So how did it "arguably" conclude better on TV than on the big screen? I'm curious.
You're right about the original airdate order; I should have said "video" rather than "television." I think "Objects at Rest" is a better finale than Serenity.
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Old July 1 2013, 07:03 AM   #22
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Firefly (which, arguably, had a more satisfying conclusion on television than on the big screen).
I'd really like to hear those arguments, since FIREFLY was shown entirely out of order with the pilot last. Two episodes were not aired during first run. And there was no conclusion. So how did it "arguably" conclude better on TV than on the big screen? I'm curious.
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Old July 1 2013, 07:20 AM   #23
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The 2009 V show had a believable ending.

Aliens invade Earth, and humanity loses.

Which is really how it'd go.
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Old July 1 2013, 08:13 AM   #24
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What Freaks and Geeks did was brilliant. They were concerned that the show would be cancelled and the episode count would be cut. So they wrote and filmed their finale and than made 4 more episodes which took place before it. Than show was was cancelled and the ordered shortened but they already had the ending they wanted ready.
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Old July 1 2013, 08:33 AM   #25
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I would included Quantum Leap. It's appears many fans at the time, or maybe even now, do not know it was filmed as a cliffhanger. The end card about Sam never returning home was tacked on at the last minute.

Imagine if it said Sam HAD returned but we never saw it? I think that would have been much more frustrating. As it was we had a show that reflected on the shows history and has Sam question why he is traveling in time. I don't think those questions could ever have been answered to anyones satisfaction. So we are left with why he leaps remaining a mystery. Plus knowing is is still out there putting right what once when wrong.

The big complaint is the word NEVER returned home. But the other part is about Al and his wife Beth celebrating their 40th Anniversary. Which implies at time in the future the episode ends. Meaning he has not returned YET. That small word change would have made a huge difference in perceptions of that episode. Also that writing was rushed, Sam's last name is spelled wrong, it's Becket not the correct Beckett. I blame that on NBC.
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Old July 1 2013, 08:41 AM   #26
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It's interesting that Mad Men's creator Mathew Weiner has said he treats each season finale as and last episode of the series. Early on to prevent the show ending on a bad note. But even now that the show has its 7th season planned as the last, the 6th still did the same. It allows each season to feel like a completed chapter.
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Old July 1 2013, 02:39 PM   #27
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I'm not sure if this counts, since the episode never actually aired on FOX, but I found the ending of Wonderfalls to be very satisfying. I'm not sure when it was filmed in relation to when the show actually started airing on FOX, but they must have known they were doomed in time to wrap things up.
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Old July 1 2013, 03:45 PM   #28
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4400. They could have gone on, but I was cool with where it ended. The genie was out of the bottle.
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Old July 1 2013, 03:55 PM   #29
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The A.V. Club did an interesting feature addressing this question a couple years ago.

Of their picks, the ones I would choose are Freaks and Geeks and Firefly (which, arguably, had a more satisfying conclusion on television than on the big screen).
So a complete lack of a conclusion counts as a "satisfying conclusion"?

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Firefly (which, arguably, had a more satisfying conclusion on television than on the big screen).
I'd really like to hear those arguments, since FIREFLY was shown entirely out of order with the pilot last. Two episodes were not aired during first run. And there was no conclusion. So how did it "arguably" conclude better on TV than on the big screen? I'm curious.
You're right about the original airdate order; I should have said "video" rather than "television." I think "Objects at Rest" is a better finale than Serenity.
Objects in Space was never planned as a series finale and it doesn't resolve anything at all. Joss Whedon himself mentioned that every season finale of Buffy and Angel was planned as a possible series finale, in case the show gets cancelled - but the one time he didn't plan for it and didn't make a season finale that could serve as a series finale was Firefly - and then it did get cancelled.

You may dislike what happened in Serenity (I don't) and wish the series had remained without a conclusion. But the fact remains that the series never got a conclusion on TV. It's not a question of "which conclusion is better" because one of those is a conclusion, the other is not.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:32 PM   #30
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Highlander - they had the movie
Newheart- best ending EVER!
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