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Old July 1 2013, 09:37 AM   #76
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

Picard didn't make it back. At least not all of him. They would have kept a copy of his personality and memories who would have been part of the decision making process right up till the point Janeway wiped them out.
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Old July 1 2013, 09:45 AM   #77
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Sisko should send her a fruit basket for that.
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Old July 1 2013, 10:40 AM   #78
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Well no cause as I said they could have showed the ship slowly falling apart and being patched up with alien tec. As well as replaceing dead crew with some delta quadrent recruits as th series went along.
"No support" is part of the premise. That means once something is broken, it's broken for good. No repairs or replacements.

Dont know why voyager would have lost rateing if they had shown a ship falling apart.
DS9 was a war story, yet the station was always totally repaired and the Defiant always in 100% good shape despite constant battles.

As for killing off major crew? How can I buy a situation dangrous or develop a sense of suspence when I know that everything will turn out ok at the end of every episode?
Might as well ask why TOS, TNG and DS9 barely killed anyone.
But in the case of DSN, they had the full resources of the Federation to call upon, and we did hear mention of ships inline to be repaired at DSN.
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Old July 1 2013, 11:01 AM   #79
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

I'm not a fan of killing off cast for the sake of it, and VOY did away with quite a few interesting and likeable recurring characters (I'll never forgive them for killing off Hogan). Then when they removed a main cast member it was in a really unsatisfying way, without any real resolution (plus Kes' departure forced Seven down my throat, who I never really took to).

There weren't many situations I ever worried about the ship not surviving, as every enemy they faced they defeated--there aren't many occassions they had to just run or hide from a hostile ship.
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Old July 1 2013, 11:23 AM   #80
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I'm not a fan of killing off cast for the sake of it, and VOY did away with quite a few interesting and likeable recurring characters (I'll never forgive them for killing off Hogan).
ONLY Star Trek character ever eaten by an animal (tar monsters and non-corporeal entities don't count). Claim to fame.

Also, we saw his skeleton! How often does this happen?

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Old July 1 2013, 11:42 AM   #81
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

It would have been better had they allowed the characters to grow. 7 year Ensign Kim anyone?
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Old July 1 2013, 11:45 AM   #82
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Just because he wasn't promoted with pips doesn't mean he didn't have great personal growth over those 7 years. Why I swear he looks at least six months grown from Caretaker to Endgame.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:02 PM   #83
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Really? Did people REALLY think that he might never return from the Borg?

Because it's not like TNG was that kind of show prior to this. Yes Tasha died, but that's not the same as the Captain.
Well 1990 was a few years before the internet went mainstream and from memory it wasn't certain that Stewart would return.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:32 PM   #84
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Those days when they told us a story and we went.. aaaah, ooooooh..
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Old July 1 2013, 12:41 PM   #85
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Those days when they told us a story and we went.. aaaah, ooooooh..
I haven't aaahed, or oooohed a season cliff hanger sice Pam found Bobby in the shower.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:48 PM   #86
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Being a somewhat naive woman for whom suspension of disbelief comes rather too naturally my last ooh and aaah was a lot more recent than that.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:07 PM   #87
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Jennifer Sisko died in a fire... But assimilation would have saved her conciousness and preserved her physicality... It was just questionable if at the point that they, being 5 minutes after assimilation was invented that the anyone thought that it was reversible.... And if Ben could have tricked or forced a Drone into taking his wife before she died.,
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Old July 1 2013, 04:59 PM   #88
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Those days when they told us a story and we went.. aaaah, ooooooh..
I haven't aaahed, or oooohed a season cliff hanger sice Pam found Bobby in the shower.
Now that's a classic one!

The most classic scene ever in the history of television.
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I'll admit to maniacal laughing when I realized only ENT survived.
Faith of the Heart, teacake.
When I first watched ENT like a month ago, I HATED the song.

Now I love it! So weird.
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Old July 1 2013, 06:42 PM   #90
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Well no cause as I said they could have showed the ship slowly falling apart and being patched up with alien tec. As well as replaceing dead crew with some delta quadrent recruits as th series went along.
"No support" is part of the premise. That means once something is broken, it's broken for good. No repairs or replacements.

DS9 was a war story, yet the station was always totally repaired and the Defiant always in 100% good shape despite constant battles.

As for killing off major crew? How can I buy a situation dangrous or develop a sense of suspence when I know that everything will turn out ok at the end of every episode?
Might as well ask why TOS, TNG and DS9 barely killed anyone.
But in the case of DSN, they had the full resources of the Federation to call upon, and we did hear mention of ships inline to be repaired at DSN.
But we never saw any repairs, or battle damage. They were in a worse situation than VOY where resources would've even more stretched out yet we never this impact the Station or the Defiant.
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