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Old June 30 2013, 11:08 PM   #31
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

Sometimes you get a bad story with a pointless death. So is it a case with a great story sometimes the audiance is willing to overlook a pointless death?
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Old June 30 2013, 11:27 PM   #32
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

I assume you mean the portion of the audience that generally takes issue with pointless deaths?

If an episode has a bad story I'll knock it for the bad story.

I think a factor may be whether someone's looking for an arc-based series or a generally more episodic one. While Voyager certainly had some story arcs, it also had a whole lot of episodic content.
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Old June 30 2013, 11:33 PM   #33
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I can see why the stories deteriorated and the writers and producers seemed to lose interest.
They were so caught up in playing safe (not necessarily killing off main cast) so as not to upset a few oversensitive hard core fans they cornered themselves in a box.

If the Writers were allowed of there leash abit they may have been able to keep the franchise fresh.


Instead we get TNG 2:00 and with ENT TNG 3:00. At least ENT came into its own on series 4.

Thats the problem each series should have its own direction and personality.

Its why DS9 and TNG have so much staying power 20 years later.
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Old June 30 2013, 11:35 PM   #34
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

I get very attached to my fictional characters so NO!
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Old June 30 2013, 11:36 PM   #35
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

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I assume you mean the portion of the audience that generally takes issue with pointless deaths?

If an episode has a bad story I'll knock it for the bad story.

I think a factor may be whether someone's looking for an arc-based series or a generally more episodic one. While Voyager certainly had some story arcs, it also had a whole lot of episodic content.
I dont think the heavy episodic approach worked for voyager.

I dont think it should have been as serilised as DS9 but it should have had some more episode cross over with character development.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:00 AM   #36
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

As has akready been debated ad infinitum the premise of VOY seemed to lend itself to a more serialised based show, the producers in their infnite wisdom decided to lean towards episodic.

Was it the right approach, we'll never know.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:51 AM   #37
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It wouldn't have hurt to have a deeper secondary cast and kill them off once in a while like they did in the first two seasons.

Killing off main cast, the problem with that is they always predictably kill off the least gimmicky characters. Sure in Voyager that would have been Chakotay and Kim which might not have been a bad thing, but in general it's lame when they do that. Once in a while a dramatic MC death might have worked, but not frequently.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:53 AM   #38
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Unless you are a show where people die all the time. But that's not Star Trek.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:02 AM   #39
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

I'm one of those people who are stunned and sad when anyone on a main cast or even recurring cast dies. I cried when Jadzia died even though I knew the real reason was because Terry Farrell left the show. Still...I hated that!! I also cried when Ziyal got killed.

When they killed off Janeway in the novels I was furious. But then they brought her back and had her hook up with Chakotay so I was happy about that.

They wouldn't be able to just bring a dead person back on a series like this though. Although they did with Lindsey Ballard but she wasn't main cast anyway.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:15 AM   #40
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Since it's Star Trek you can always bring back anyone with magic super aliens.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:21 AM   #41
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Death is but a minor inconvenience in Star Trek... unless you're a guest character, then you're screwed.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:24 AM   #42
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But Lindsey Ballard wasn't even a guest character and she came back!

She sure was lucky.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:25 AM   #43
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Re: Better if they had allowed main cast to die?

What episode is the original poster on now? There's always "Mortal Coil" where you get a main cast death (trying not to give spoilers).

But again the death ain't permanent.

Technically Harry Kim "dies" in "Emanations" too.

Again, not permanent though!
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Old July 1 2013, 01:28 AM   #44
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I read that as "not permanent enough!"
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Old July 1 2013, 01:30 AM   #45
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But Lindsey Ballard wasn't even a guest character and she came back!

She sure was lucky.
Poor Harry. Got screwed with that one. I like the scenes where Tom lists out all of the horrible relationships/crushes Harry had and I believe he says "a dead girl" meaning Lindsey in one of scenes.
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