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Old June 28 2013, 12:40 AM   #91
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Re: Has anyone else noticed the major plot flaw in TWOK?

I don't think they ever really knew what to do with Sulu.

Chekov was a much more interesting character. It seems like the writers all through the series and movies thought so too. That's the way it appeared to me anyway.

Except for the pink schoolboy outfit in STFS and the TMP "torrrrrpeeeeeeeedoooooooes ... awaaaaaaaay!" line, that is. That was just goofy.
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Old June 28 2013, 02:32 AM   #92
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A little harsh - after TWOK he became a well-rounded person, with his own friends, credit cars and keys...
And yet him and George still had to share Melllvar's fan-script...
Welshie!!!!!!

Chekov was the O'Brien of TOS, constantly having the "he must suffer!" scripts written for him.

Sulu on the other hand, he was a sponge for whatever cool hobby they thought they could saddle him with for a particular episode, only in order for it never to be mentioned again!

Bearing in mind the decor of Kirk's apartment in TWOK, I think it was a missed opportunity to have Sulu give him a genuine 20th century antique firearm for his birthday!
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Old June 28 2013, 02:42 AM   #93
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^IIRC, Kirk willed several of his antique guns to Sulu following his death. It was discussed in the Crucible novel The Fire and the Rose.

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Old June 29 2013, 07:02 PM   #94
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Not harsh at all. Chekov was by far the weakest link of that group. Whether he was getting zapped by a discharge from V'Ger or falling off of an aircraft carrier, he was always finding ways to get himself in trouble.
And yet he survived it all! Even Scotty got killed, like, twice. You can't underestimate the value of having someone who's really lucky on your team.
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Old July 1 2013, 12:21 AM   #95
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Re: Has anyone else noticed the major plot flaw in TWOK?

Scotty got killed too? I remember McCoy's death but
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Old July 1 2013, 01:20 AM   #96
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Scotty got killed too? I remember McCoy's death but
He was killed by Nomad in The Changling.
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Old July 1 2013, 03:45 AM   #97
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Right , I remebre now. Nomad surely made a mess. Wiped Uhura's memory and such.
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Old July 1 2013, 04:03 AM   #98
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^And disintegrated a near-record number of redshirts for a single episode -- as well as wiping out four billion lives in the Malurian system.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:03 PM   #99
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^And disintegrated a near-record number of redshirts for a single episode
That would be a tragedy if they were not redshirts, you know we never run out of those.

-- as well as wiping out four billion lives in the Malurian system.
That's just a statistic.
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Old July 2 2013, 08:37 PM   #100
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Re: Has anyone else noticed the major plot flaw in TWOK?

It seems pretty obvious that when a starship plots a course to a planet, the procedure would likely include determining where in its orbit the planet is going to be at a given time so they can intercept.
Actually, I find that rather implausible.

Starships are powerful machines - so powerful in fact that they render most of today's concepts of spaceflight irrelevant. I don't really see a starship helmsman bothering to calculate the exact coordinates needed for a planetary rendezvous beforehand, as he or she can do the necessary corrections in a matter of seconds after arrival anyway. A "conventional" spacecraft would be wasting fuel and time unless aiming very precisely; for a starship, wasting of fuel is something that only takes place at massively greater distances and speed differentials. If Sulu actually calculated the most energy-efficient way to enter the orbit of Boring XII, Kirk would chide him for being a showoff and for wasting valuable Starfleet time!

Celestial mechanics is something only losers need bother with. A true starship flies against celestial mechanics and benefits enormously from that.

Really, given the known capabilities of starships, I could very well see the proper procedure of entering a star system as being more like this:

- Skipper calls "Helm, reduce speed" at a more or less random moment, as precision is unnecessary
- Helm says "Aye, Sir!" and quite independently points the bow towards the local sight he expects the skipper wants to go to next
- Skipper asks for habitable planets; Science Officer scans for such, completely ignoring all those planets that fail the most cursory initial scan, and reports the identity of the one planet found, her fingers hovering over the buttons she needs to establish what she knows the skipper is gonna ask next
- Skipper says "Standard orbit around that one, Helm", and Helm complies
- Skipper asks "Where's the city we needed to visit?" and the SO tells him
- Skipper says "You're with me, let's beam down"
- Science Officer leaves her instruments and makes a mental note to do a more detailed scan of the planet when and if she has time

They're there to visit the city, not to map the local cloud forests or listen to possible secret Romulan communications or establish whether the local star is about to blow. They visit, and then they leave. Star systems really are a dime in a dozen, and if Starfleet wants to know more, they can always send the ship back.

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Old July 14 2013, 10:07 PM   #101
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I've always felt it was entirely in character for the old-fashioned McCoy to call them elevators.
Or maybe "Who's been holding up the damn elevator?" is a funny line from some old movie from, say 2099 that McCoy is fond of.
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