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Star Trek Movies I-X Discuss the first ten big screen outings in this forum!

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Old June 29 2013, 09:53 PM   #46
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A moot point though, as a fully-crewed Enterprise would have been able to raise shields and simply blown the Bird of Prey into scrap anyway.
That's what Starfleet wants you to believe. Exactly that should have happened in Generations. And that was a Galaxy-class, no less.

Grissom took one shot to destroy and the Klingons weren't even wanting to blow it up. Valkris ship too. The Enterprise hit the Klingon ship with two torpedoes, the same amount of firepower that tore Reliant in two, and only barely scratched the paint (ok, they killed the dog too).

Birds of Prey are fucking dangerous.

Kruge was a complete whacko
That he was.
That's the problem as the writers keep "adjusting the tech to fit the plot".

Sometimes, a ship will take a severe pounding and hold together, like the Enterprise in Undiscovered Country, the Enterprise-D in Generations and the Odyssey in DS9 - okay, the latter two were destroyed, but they spent the entire engagements effectively unshielded. As you said, Reliant only took two photons and was completely wrecked.
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Old June 29 2013, 10:30 PM   #47
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I've always assumed that in TUC and GEN the antagonists were essentially toying with their prey, deliberately avoiding hitting anything they thought might destroy the ship they were targeting.
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Old June 29 2013, 10:44 PM   #48
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This movie was made in the early 80's so dated security measures can be forgiven. At the time that seemed like a highly advanced security precaution. Really the only thing that surprised me is, what's the point of having these security prefix codes if any ship can look them up?
Well, Starfleet never planned on any of their vessels being hijacked. The prefix codes were probably intended for use in an emergency. It worked out that Kirk used the code to save the Enterprise, but that's probably not why they existed in the first place.

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Old June 30 2013, 02:55 AM   #49
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Actually I think that's exactly why they existed. For situations where one Starfleet vessel would need to take control of another.
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Old June 30 2013, 08:19 AM   #50
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Actually I think that's exactly why they existed. For situations where one Starfleet vessel would need to take control of another.
Kirk's line was "To prevent an enemy from doing what we're attempting."

That would men there was a danger, real or perceived, that someone could hack into a starship's command systems.
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Hm. I'm thinking of a Driver's Ed car where the student has full functionality, but the instructor can apply the brakes with no warning if they feel it's necessary.
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Old June 30 2013, 07:43 PM   #52
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I think the prefix code would have served so much better had it been Khan who used it on the Enterprise. In fact, say it was how Kirk hacked the Kobayashi Maru--he rewrote the Klingon ships to have one. Khan remembers this from reading Kirk's bio during "Space Seed."

Otherwise, it's just a silly deus ex machine. It is quite literally God mode from the machine.
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