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Old June 29 2013, 11:49 AM   #241
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Yup. Which isn't entirely unprecedented, since she was created as a member of the Outsiders, a team founded and led by Batman after he fell out with the Justice League.
Given Metamorpho is also confirmed to be appearing on this show, I wouldn't be surprised at all if the show builds up to the creation of the Outsiders down the line.
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Old June 29 2013, 03:54 PM   #242
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Anyone else of getting sick of Batman getting dozens of cartoon shows made about him?
Clearly the mass audience isn't. They wouldn't keep making Batman shows if they weren't what the public wanted. Comics fans may wish for more and different superhero shows, but the general public seems to have an ongoing love affair with Batman. I can't blame the makers of commercial television for going where the money is. They couldn't afford to keep making shows at all if they didn't get a large enough audience for them.


Where is the next Superman cartoon? I thought we would have gotten one by now with the hype over MOS.
Perhaps WB was waiting to see how the movie performed before gambling on a tie-in cartoon. Given WB's past track record with non-Batman superhero movies, I can't blame them for being cautious. Maybe we'll get a Superman cartoon in time for MOS2.


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^^ Indeed. There's probably enough Batman out there to have a 24-hour Batman Channel.
Hmm, just for the heck of it, let's see...

1966 Batman series: 120 episodes + 1 feature film = 62 hours
Filmation Adventures of Batman (1969): 17 episodes = 8.5 hours
Filmation New Adventures of Batman (1977): 16 episodes = 8 hours
Burton movies: c. 6 hours (w/ commercials)
Schumacher movies: c. 6 hours (w/ commercials)
Nolan movies: c. 11.5 hr (w/ commercials)
Batman: TAS/New Batman Adventures: 109 eps + 3 movies = c. 60 hr
Batman Beyond: 52 eps + 1 movie = 28 hr
The Batman: 65 eps = 32.5 hr
Batman: The Brave and the Bold: 65 eps + 1 movie = 34.5 hr
DC Universe Animated Original Movies: c. 8 films = 16 hr (w/ commercials)
Birds of Prey: 13 hr

If we add the various Justice League shows/films:
Super Friends franchise: 31 1-hour segments + 78 half-hour segments = c. 70 hours
Justice League/JL Unlimited: 91 eps = 45.5 hr
Young Justice: 46 eps = 23 hr
DC Universe movies: 4 movies = c. 8 hr (w/ ads)

That's not even counting the '40s serials (its 17-minute episodes would be hard to fit into a TV format, and the first one's pretty racist) or the various Batman guest appearances on Scooby-Doo, Superman, Static Shock, and the like.

But as it is, it adds up to c. 286 hours of Batman content, which would only fill up 11.9 days. Add the Justice League material and you get another 146.5 hours, for a total of 432.5 hours = c. 18 days. You could probably throw in various documentaries to pad it out, but we're still talking less than two and a half weeks' worth of content, which isn't enough to sustain a whole 24-hour channel. Even if it were 16 hours of Batman/JL by day and 8 hours of infomercials every night, you'd still have not quite a month's worth of content.

If you added all the DC shows and movies, then you'd get significantly more content. Let's see, for Superman:

Fleischer shorts: maybe 4.5 hr with ads
Adventures of Superman: 52 hr
Filmation animated Superman/Superboy cartoons: c. 17 hr
Seven feature films (counting Supergirl): c. 19 hr
'88 Superboy: 50 hr
Lois & Clark: 43.5 hr
Smallville: 109 hr
'88 animated series: 6.5 hr
S:TAS: 27 hr
Legion of Super Heroes: 13 hr
Krypto the Superdog: 19.5 hr
DVD movies not counted above: c. 10 hr w/ ads

Total: c. 371 hr

Well, that's interesting. Cumulatively, Superman content onscreen considerably outweighs Batman content, even though the emphasis has shifted heavily in Batman's favor in more recent times. Now we're up to a total of 803.5 hours of content, which in our overnight-infomercial model would give us 50.5 days' worth of content, or just under 33.5 days of a 24-hour schedule.

Let's see what else I can add in. Wonder Woman:

'74 pilot: c. 2 hr with ads*
Lynda Carter series: 59 hr
'09 movie: c. 2 hr with ads

* This would've aired in a 90-minute time slot, but these days there are far more commercials per hour.

Total: 63 hr

Other:
Other '60s Filmation superhero shorts: c. 13.5 hr worth (w/ ads)
Filmation Shazam/Isis: 25 hr
Filmation Kid Super Power Hour with Shazam: 18.5 hr*
The Plastic Man Comedy/Adventure Show: 65 hr (apparently!)
The Flash (1990): 22 hr
Swamp Thing movies: 4 hr w/ ads
Swamp Thing: The Series: 36 hr
Swamp Thing animated series**: 2.5 hr
Human Target (1992): 7 hr
Human Target (2010): 25 hr
Arrow: 23 hr to date
Teen Titans: 32.5 hr
Teen Titans Go!: ??? (season 1 still in progress)
Green Lantern: TAS: 13 hr

*Had 25 distinct hourlong blocks, but only 12 distinct Shazam segments which would've been repeated alongside the 25 Hero High segments
**Seriously. Its theme song was a pastiche of "Wild Thing" (Swamp Thing... You are a-ma-zing...) and it was cancelled after 5 episodes.

Total: 289+ hr

And other DC superhero feature films (all w/ ads):
Steel: 2 hr
Catwoman: 2 hr
Watchmen: c. 3.5 hr
Jonah Hex: 2 hr
Green Lantern: 2.5 hr

Total: 12 hr

So, still not counting old movie serials (or the DC Nation shorts, which could be inserted at various places to pad out short runtimes), we've got 1167.5 hours of DC superhero content in existence, which at 16 hours a day would provide 73 days of content. It's possible I've gotten my sums a bit wrong here and there, but we only need a rough figure.

So a 24-hour Batman channel is pushing it, but an all-DC superhero channel with overnight infomercials is arguably within the realm of possibility.

EDIT: Okay, I just reread this whole post, and I have one question: Why the hell did I just do that?
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Old June 29 2013, 06:17 PM   #243
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^Guessing you were stuck in your writing and needed a distraction?
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Old June 29 2013, 06:55 PM   #244
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Anyone else of getting sick of Batman getting dozens of cartoon shows made about him?

Where is the next Superman cartoon? I thought we would have gotten one by now with the hype over MOS.
Yeah, I would love to see them do something with someone other than Batman. My top picks would be Superman, Aquaman, Flash, or Wonder Woman.
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Old June 29 2013, 07:05 PM   #245
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I would love to see another Superman or Justice League animated series. Outside of them I'd love an "Aquaman" or "Wonder Woman" series based on Azzy's current book. I suspect that we might get something Superman wise soon. I'd be curious to know if they've received any pitches over the last few years. Batman has that immediate built in audience thanks to his popularity. I have no idea why we haven't had another Superman animated series. The DTV's involving him seem to have been successful sales wise.
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Old June 29 2013, 07:50 PM   #246
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I remember there were rumors of a new Superman cartoon a while back, possibly around the time of SR, but I guess the lack of interest in that movie kind of killed off those plans.
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Old June 29 2013, 09:00 PM   #247
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There was a Superman cartoon of sorts at the same time as Superman Returns, namely Legion of Super Heroes, which featured a young Superman as a cast member. (It was going to be Superboy and the Legion of Super Heroes, but they ended up not using the Superboy name. It's unclear whether that was due to the legal disputes over ownership of the title at the time or done in order to tie into Returns. But it premiered 3 months after SR was released and ran for two years.
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Old June 29 2013, 10:57 PM   #248
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The episode descriptions sound interesting. I definately plan to give the show a chance. I can ignore the sub par design if the story is good. I just hope it doesn't go completely obscure with the villains. I like stuff like that, but I'd also like to see the classic villains at times.
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Old June 29 2013, 11:53 PM   #249
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I would love to see another Superman or Justice League animated series. Outside of them I'd love an "Aquaman" or "Wonder Woman" series ...
I want an Aquaman series based on the B&B cartoon/Brian Blessed inspired version.
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Old June 30 2013, 12:01 AM   #250
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The episode descriptions sound interesting. I definately plan to give the show a chance. I can ignore the sub par design if the story is good.
I don't think the design per se is a problem; sure, Batman's new look will take some getting used to, but the same went for his B:TAS design. I feel that Glen Murakami is one of the best visual/character designers working in animation today. My problem is more with the execution of those designs, the choice to realize them in 3D rather than 2D ink-and-paint style. I'm not convinced that's going to work very well.


I just hope it doesn't go completely obscure with the villains. I like stuff like that, but I'd also like to see the classic villains at times.
Well, that depends on what you consider obscure, I suppose. If you only know Batman villains from TV and movies, then most of the villains here will be completely new. But a lot of them are characters who have had a significant presence in the comics without ever having been portrayed onscreen before, like the Pyg and Toad characters who were pretty major in Grant Morrison's run in recent years.

Besides, sometimes obscure villains can be reinvented in ways that make them breakout stars -- the archetypal case being Mr. Freeze, a bottom-of-the-barrel minor villain that B:TAS gave a new lease on life to. Maybe you could make a case for the Clock King as well. That's the cool thing about adaptations -- they give you a chance to try new variations on old ideas, and sometimes you find great untapped potential in an obscure character.
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Our first episode "details". This is going to be most interesting at the very least.

http://legionsofgotham.blogspot.ca/2...-revealed.html
So from that preview, the ep.3 summary does say Anarchy. He's dressed in all white, whats wrong with his comic look?
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^Who says there's anything wrong with it? It's hardly unusual for TV/film adaptations of comics to come up with new costume designs for the characters. Sometimes it's because the comic designs don't work as well in motion, sometimes it's just because different artists have different ideas and different tastes. So the better question is, what's wrong with doing it differently?
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Brings new meaning to "same Bat-time, same Bat-channel," doesn't it?
The Bat-Channel. I like it.

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EDIT: Okay, I just reread this whole post, and I have one question: Why the hell did I just do that?
I don't know, but that was a very interesting info dump. I wonder if DC and Marvel ever consider launching their own channels, especially since streaming appears to be the future of home video (I wish they'd come up with a different name for that-- it sounds gross). Sadly, if they did, DC would have the far better channel.
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Sadly, if they did, DC would have the far better channel.
Overall, perhaps, but there have been some good Marvel shows. I just finished a Netflix Marvel binge that began with the '90s Spider-Man and X-Men animated series -- still my favorite screen adaptations of both titles, and the shows that made me a Marvel fan -- and ended with The Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes, which was a smarter, more solid show than I remember it being, although its cartoony and unexpressive animation style worked against the sophistication of the writing. It also included X-Men Evolution, which was the most mediocre X-Men series in writing, but had the most consistently gorgeous animation of any Marvel show I've ever seen, and competitive with the very best of DC animation too.
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Old July 1 2013, 01:36 AM   #255
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You think the 90s Spider-Man is better than Spectacular Spider-Man? I had a great deal of nostalgia for it, but I rewatched it a few years ago and forgot how kiddie it was... or that Spider-Man wasn't allowed to punch anybody
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