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Old June 27 2013, 07:32 PM   #16
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

His name was Homer, he was a show girrrrrrl.

Odyssey IS a fan film series that ran for three seasons, which ran parallel with another series set in the AQ about a Captain Who has to go Rogue because the law was stupid, which are both spinoffs from a series that lasted for 7 years about Captain Shelby and Robin Leffler kicking the shit out of an invasion from a weird ancient race.

And sadly, their website seems to be missing.
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Old June 28 2013, 07:13 AM   #17
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

Since you didn't reply to my first point, about the Female Caretaker having her Acolyte species defending her barrier (or just being too tough for anyone to do anything about her), I'm guessing you agree that it's a reasonable point?
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Old June 28 2013, 10:03 AM   #18
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

Actually I don't.

First of all she's insane. You'd have to rewrite her character to be less Alzheimery.

Maybe she had the technology to destroy Voyager from a distance but Susperia chose to wrestle with Janeway because it felt more satisfying. That's the tactics of a moron who has no business trying to rule the galaxy.

Her array was considerably smaller, and my personal belief is that the Caretaker was literally a caretaker, a fricking janitor which is why the rest of the Nacene expedition felt that they wouldn't lose resources by abandoning him to look after the Ocampa until those elves could stand on their own, which after a thousand years he had absolutely failed at, because he's an idiot. He cleaned space toilets for a living, which in no way qualified him to play god.

Caretaker said that his own systems were too hard/complicated to control when Janeway was begging for a lift home. Begged. She begged and he didn't give a damn, too busy dying to even think about apologizing for the rape or send her back on her way to Federationland. After a thousand years he probably still needed the manual open on his lap to make sure shit worked right.

Susperia doubled the life span of her Ocampa, unless Caretaker was so shit he halved the life span of his Ocampa? But that suggests that she was more likely a geneticist/biologist than an engineer or a space janitor.

Her array was Quarter the size of Caretakers and he couldn't even kick the Kazon off Ocampa off or survive a Kazon vanguard of 1 city ship and two shuttles without thinking to kill himself as an offensive measure, only to cock that up because he's a simpleton.

For Susperia to be who you claim that she could be, Caretaker would have had to have been rewritten in the pilot to not be such a bloody Muppet, which means that the Kazon would not have been a threat, and it never would have been Janeway's decision to strand Voyager in the Delta Quadrant or not.
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Old June 28 2013, 05:08 PM   #19
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

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Actually I don't.
Poo.

First of all she's insane. You'd have to rewrite her character to be less Alzheimery.
If the Caretaker is a wannabe interstellar rapist, I don't see the problem her playing large-scale Ant Farm.

Maybe she had the technology to destroy Voyager from a distance but Susperia chose to wrestle with Janeway because it felt more satisfying. That's the tactics of a moron who has no business trying to rule the galaxy.
Well, she's a God Alien. God Aliens throughout Trek have done some bizarre stuff.

For Susperia to be who you claim that she could be, Caretaker would have had to have been rewritten in the pilot to not be such a bloody Muppet, which means that the Kazon would not have been a threat, and it never would have been Janeway's decision to strand Voyager in the Delta Quadrant or not.
Easily explained, he actually had a Nacene neural degenerative disease that over a millennium made him a moron and weakened him, and THAT'S what killed him. Not old age, but a virus that made him a moron to boot.

Suspiria had no such problems, and her tech/power was better utilized and stronger.
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Old June 28 2013, 10:24 PM   #20
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

When I watched the series the first time, I really wanted them to get home.

But later on I've had my doubts about that. If they had remained in the Delta Quadrant, we would have tons of Voyager books with their continuing adventures in the Delta Quadrant and the original crew would have been intact.

Now that would have been great!

But then they would have ended up in the same league as the hopeless Destiny crew from Stargate Universe.

And the Voyager crew deserves better than that.

So I have mixed emotions here.
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Old June 28 2013, 10:42 PM   #21
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Voyager's return to the Alpha Quadrant could have been made impossible due to heavy Borg presence further ahead, I suppose.
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Old June 29 2013, 12:26 AM   #22
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

To the OP's question...no, I don't think so.

Home is home. If people wanted, they could have stayed there on some planet or setup camp somewhere if the species was accommodating, but they didn't want to.

I don't know... I would not view staying someplace in the DQ as "giving up"...definitely not... I just personally think they belonged where they came from. In the Federation, in the Alpha Quadrant.

Just my opinion.
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Old June 29 2013, 12:40 AM   #23
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

I think if thirty years went by and they were still on the ship trying to get home it would be kind of pathetic. Give it up already, settle, and let Starfleet come to you. Especially since communications can be accessed, and would most likely be improved over time.
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Old June 29 2013, 01:31 AM   #24
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It would have been terrible if they'd locked Voyager in a box somewhere. And you couldn't plausibly make them just give up and settle. You don't take a ship to the other side of the galaxy to just have them sit there.

There's also a difference between being reasonably careful with unknown aliens and avoiding them completely. The whole idea of Star Trek is that they willingly face risk in order to explore the unknown. They know their curiosity could screw them and they accept and embrace it.
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Old June 29 2013, 01:53 AM   #25
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

I don't mean, and show us them all settled as tv. I mean IRL so to speak.
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Old June 29 2013, 05:16 PM   #26
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Re: Should they have stayed in the Delta Quadrant?

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I don't mean, and show us them all settled as tv. I mean IRL so to speak.
Ok, maybe if 30 years went by and communication with Starfleet was still readily accessible and Voyager was experiencing extreme wear and tear to the point where it just needed to stop...then maybe sit back and let Starfleet come get them.

But for the SHOW...nah.

Also, knowing Janeway...she would have viewed herself as such a fail if they were forced to settle on a planet in the DQ and wait for rescue like a lost puppy. She blamed herself for them being stranded and truly had a desire to make up for it and get everybody home and back with their families.
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