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Old June 24 2013, 04:02 PM   #301
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People just reading the latest Bleeding Cool article now should note that it's had some unacknowledged editing. The original version slyly suggested that despite his denials, Philip Morris was indeed the finder of this 90-episode trove and the one who wanted Moffat gone. The edits have removed that implication.
Maybe Rich realised how insane the idea of someone who, as far as I know, isn't even a particular fan of the series, wanting that appears.

So if you're a 90 Truther you now have to believe that someone else has been wandering around Africa collecting missing episodes, including many which were never sold there in the first place. As you do.

Zygons has already been classified by the BBFC for release and this is the Trailer that's actually on it:

http://bbfc.co.uk/releases/terror-zygons-doctor-who-dvd

Given that it's the last complete release (until all those others!!!!) it looks like they've stuck a generic trailer for the range on it.
Either that, or in the increasingly desperate efforts to keep the range going, they're putting out The Tom Baker Years. Which is admittedly quite fun to watch.
Either way, it's not a trailer for a Troughton story.
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Old June 24 2013, 06:25 PM   #302
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"If nothing else works, a total pig-headed unwillingness to look facts in the face will see us through." General Sir Anthony Cecil Hogmanay Melchett, setting policy for Dr Who fandom since 1989.
Not only is this perfectly true for this particular case but I also find it very amusing because I happened upon a Blackadder II episode on BBC last night (yeah, I know, not the same Melchett).
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Old June 24 2013, 09:36 PM   #303
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Yeah, as others have pointed out at the GB and Bleeding Cool forums, it's hard to believe that BBC Worldwide, which still hasn't released or even announced "The Underwater Menace" 2 despite its being recovered in 2011, wants to rush the release of these alleged new discoveries.
I suppose the difference would be a complete story - after restoration and extras - is ready to go.

Half a story isn't. We still haven't had any confirmation the other half of Underwater Menace has been animated. If Moonbase was comissioned with Tenth Planet, before the Underwater Menace recovery and these rumours started to look promising, its possible they might have waited to see how it panned out before agreeing to any more.

Whilst the Bleeding Cool article did seem to be grasping at all rumours and claims lumping everything together, I'm still of the impression there might be something in it, hidden in the nonsense.

But not nearly everything!
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Old June 24 2013, 11:01 PM   #304
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Either way, it's not a trailer for a Troughton story.
Actually it is - it's the trailer for The Moonbase DVD which will be released the following month.

Either that or it's that deleted scene they found.
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Old June 25 2013, 12:02 AM   #305
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Either way, it's not a trailer for a Troughton story.
Actually it is - it's the trailer for The Moonbase DVD which will be released the following month.

Either that or it's that deleted scene they found.
That makes sense, but doesn't quite fit with the BBFC link StCoop posted, which says the trailer 'Stars Tom Baker'. Maybe that's just a flow over from the main feature, but in context it seems to refer specifically to the trailer.
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Old June 25 2013, 01:34 AM   #306
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^^But remember the Doctor lies, no i mean Moffet lies, no i mean the BBC lies, why is everybody telling me lies. lol
In the wise words of Garbage:

Lies lies lies
You love those lies,
You tell them straight,
Straight to my face
They feel so right
They keep you safe
And you're so...

Good at it, oh it comes automatic
Lies more lies
I can tell they're lies
I can see right through,
You have see-through eyes

Knocked down drag your name out
All across the town
This time I won't be your dirty little secret
Not for you, not for me, not for your other lover
I won't be your dirty little secret
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Old June 25 2013, 02:19 PM   #307
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Yeah, as others have pointed out at the GB and Bleeding Cool forums, it's hard to believe that BBC Worldwide, which still hasn't released or even announced "The Underwater Menace" 2 despite its being recovered in 2011, wants to rush the release of these alleged new discoveries.
I suppose the difference would be a complete story - after restoration and extras - is ready to go.

Half a story isn't. We still haven't had any confirmation the other half of Underwater Menace has been animated. If Moonbase was comissioned with Tenth Planet, before the Underwater Menace recovery and these rumours started to look promising, its possible they might have waited to see how it panned out before agreeing to any more.
That does seem the most likely explanation for why Underwater Menace is being held back. Moonbase could have been on a pre-prepped long term possibilities list back in 2011, whereas nobody would have been considering UM for animation before part two turned up.

That's prompted me to do back of the envelope work out of what's most and least likely to get the animation treatment. The sums are based on 2 points for each episode that needs to be animated and 1 point for each episode that's missing telesnaps, with the lowest scoring stories being most likely to be animated.
That probably over-estimates the impact of there being telesnaps around has on a story's chances (and if there's no telesnaps or episodes at all, then it might make the animators jobs easier, as they don't have to spend time matching the existing material), but hey, the list comes out as something sensible, so I'll go with it...

So anyway, here's what I came up with:
4 points: Underwater Menace and Crusade - 2 episodes to do (which is the limit BBC DVD currently say they can afford), plus telesnaps.
8 points: Wheel in Space and Faceless Ones - as above, except four episodes to do, which is twice as much.
8 points: Savages, Smugglers, Highlanders, Macra Terror - also four episodes with telesnaps for all, but no surviving episodes, so probably less likely.
9 points: Galaxy 4 & Celestial Toymaker - only three episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference. If you ignore the telesnap issue, then these become the most likely candidates apart from Crusade and Menace.
10 points: Abominable Snowmen & Web of Fear - five episodes to do, from telesnaps.
11 points: Enemy of the World - also five missing episode, but there's no telesnaps for part four (why couldn't John Cura have taken the previous week off, eh?).
12 points: Evil of the Daleks - six episodes to do, telesnaps for all of them, plus one episode already in existence. (Question - if it was done, should the animators be faithful and have the Daleks' domes change shape from studio to model work in part seven?)
12 points: Myth Makers and Massacre - only four episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference.
12 points: Power of the Daleks & Fury from the Deep - six episodes to do from telesnaps, but no complete ones to include.
15 points: Marco Polo - 7 episodes to do, and no telesnaps for one of them.
15 points: Space Pirates - only five episodes to do, but no telesnaps, no reference shots for several major characters, and the main villain doesn't even appear in the surviving episode to give you reference on him!
30 points: The Dalek Masterplan (with Mission to the Unknown) - nightmare! 10 episodes to do, no proper telesnaps, few or no reference shots for several major settings and characters... Will only be done if a fan wins the lottery and pays for the work!
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Old June 25 2013, 02:52 PM   #308
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diankra, that's all nice but haven't you heard, most of those have been recovered!

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Old June 26 2013, 06:35 PM   #309
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9 points: Galaxy 4 & Celestial Toymaker - only three episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference. If you ignore the telesnap issue, then these become the most likely candidates apart from Crusade and Menace.
They are two very different produuctions, the 1/4 (or closer to 1/3 including the lengthy clip from part 1) of Galaxy 4 gives you a much better represenation of the whole story than Toymaker's final episode does of that one. You have all the characters and costumes, all the sets. All four episodes of Toymaker were completely different.

However if a Galaxy Four animation was up for consideration I can't imagine they would have given away the recovered episode so easily.

If on the otherhand they did think maybe they'd be able to release the whole story later anyway, that there was no point doing anything too fancy now and just get it out there.... well that's how conspiracies start!
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Old June 26 2013, 07:49 PM   #310
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9 points: Galaxy 4 & Celestial Toymaker - only three episodes to do, but no telesnaps for reference. If you ignore the telesnap issue, then these become the most likely candidates apart from Crusade and Menace.
They are two very different produuctions, the 1/4 (or closer to 1/3 including the lengthy clip from part 1) of Galaxy 4 gives you a much better represenation of the whole story than Toymaker's final episode does of that one. You have all the characters and costumes, all the sets. All four episodes of Toymaker were completely different.

However if a Galaxy Four animation was up for consideration I can't imagine they would have given away the recovered episode so easily.

If on the otherhand they did think maybe they'd be able to release the whole story later anyway, that there was no point doing anything too fancy now and just get it out there.... well that's how conspiracies start!
That did occur to me about Toymaker, but that then opens up the question of whether the animators might find it easier to have more freedom to indulge their imaginations, rather than reproducing reference images.
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Old June 26 2013, 07:53 PM   #311
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That did occur to me about Toymaker, but that then opens up the question of whether the animators might find it easier to have more freedom to indulge their imaginations, rather than reproducing reference images.
I don't want the animators bloody imaginations. I want something that looks like the original episode.
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Old June 29 2013, 03:38 PM   #312
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So for those keeping track the latest claim is that this whole thing has been a vast conspiracy involving dozens of people designed purely to wind Ian Levine up.

Now that one I can believe!
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Old June 29 2013, 03:52 PM   #313
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So for those keeping track the latest claim is that this whole thing has been a vast conspiracy involving dozens of people designed purely to wind Ian Levine up.
Job done !
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And he's paranoid enough to believe it!
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So for those keeping track the latest claim is that this whole thing has been a vast conspiracy involving dozens of people designed purely to wind Ian Levine up.

Now that one I can believe!
Yet the next turn of the apple is that Charles Daniels (a longtime fan who contributed to several of the fanthologies of fifteen years ago), who brought the story of this hoaxing cabal to light, believes that he himself has been punked by his friend who brought the story to his attention!

And Levine is telling people that he doesn't believe the story. Either he genuinely doesn't believe it, or he's only saying he doesn't believe it because he's hurt and doesn't want to give his enemies satisfaction.

You couldn't make this one up. No editor would buy this story.
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