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Old June 26 2013, 10:21 PM   #691
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All of Clark's history has already unfolded naturally by the time we've reached the Legion timeline.

Except that when he and Booster are temporally displaced by the ring, then he was no longer there to create the history that Rokk, Imra and Garth knew when they first come back. History was changed. This is the point that I am (unsuccessfully) trying to make here. It would be no different than if Clark got aboard a spaceship and traveled at the SoL until a thousand years had passed outside the ship. He wouldn't have been around from the point that he entered the ship. History would've changed the moment that 'Superman' disappeared. History, in this version of the 31st century, should show that Clark/Supes mysteriously disappeared 1,000 years earlier and never showed back up. History will be RESTORED when he's deposited back at the point he left, thereby being able to create the future history that the Legionaires know.

BTW, thanks for the theory regarding Skeets' new visibility. Sounds good to me.

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Old June 26 2013, 10:32 PM   #692
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Pro: Stop with your logical thinking and get comic booky here. The laws of physics that protect a temporally displaced Superman's place in history are identical to the movie physics that allow Marty McFly travel into the future to do something about his kids.

But allow my friends on the Satellite o' Love to help you out here.



You should really just relax.

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History will be RESTORED when he's deposited back at the point he left, thereby being able to create the future history that the Legionaires know.
Had an inspired thought. We're viewing the events of Argo as they transpired after Superman returned to the 21st Century.

We're seeing the events after the ripple effect restored the future around Supes and the Legion.

The events as they originally transpired in the future are an altered timeline where Superman was at best a minor historical figure. Once he returned home well... the future changed back and he was THE most important historical figure in the history of the multiverse.

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I really need to figure out a non-confusing way of articulating time travel theories.

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Old June 26 2013, 10:51 PM   #693
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You just mentioned one of the prime cinematic examples of 'non-logical time-travel' ever made, AJK, LOL!! I know, I know, I'm over-thinking it, but I've always been that way with time-travel. Sometimes, I just can't help myself.



Hey, I spent ten years waiting to see if a douche could fly, so why not this?



I'm to take your advice and go open a cold bottle of Corona. It's been that kind of day.


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Old June 26 2013, 11:23 PM   #694
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I know this is slightly off topic, but one of the best SF novels I ever read dealing with time-travel (sort of) was James P. Hogan's excellent Thrice Upon a Time. I realize it would be considerably dated by today's standards (written in 1980) it was thought-provoking nonetheless.
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Old June 27 2013, 08:47 AM   #695
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Time, in comic book logic, is a place. You can travel from any one location on the "map" of space and time to any other location without messing up the map--unless you do so purposefully.
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Old June 27 2013, 10:03 PM   #696
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Thanks Mike, that makes as much sense as anything. I'll keep that in mind as I continue to re-read this arc.
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Old June 28 2013, 02:25 AM   #697
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I understood the point that you're making Proc. I just don't really think it's that big of a deal. The Legion also utilize time precision technology. As I mentioned they would just return Micheal and Clark to the point in time where they were originally departed from. AJK mentioned "Back to the Future" as a prime example of this. No one will even know that they were missing. The only way that you're scenario MIGHT occur is if something went wrong with Brainy's calculations "Doctor Who" Tardis style...then maybe Clark missing might be a factor. Otherwise...he hasn't missed enough time to have any kind of major effect on the timeline as a whole. If that were even the case...the Legion and Brainy would not risk plucking Clark from his native time period. As you say restored Clark's naturally flowing history, as I've already mentioned still is intact.
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Old June 29 2013, 01:13 AM   #698
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Just finished reading the conclusion of "Argo" and this was a magnificent issue after the somewhat "weak" issue last week. Bryan Q certainly knows how to bring out emotional moments in this book because he made me tear up again. Just a brilliant issue and a brilliant arc. If Proc had problems with the time travel...he might just get a migraine with this issue! Oh I could go on about the actual plot but might wait until you guys catch up.

Up next: we get introduced to a certain Amazonian Princess
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Old June 29 2013, 01:47 AM   #699
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I'm going to review this later. I've been busy all day long. I did read it first thing though.

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My review is on the positive side of the spectrum!
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Old June 29 2013, 02:00 AM   #700
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If Proc had problems with the time travel...he might just get a migraine with this issue!

Well, thanks for warning me in advance,

Seriously, I didn't mean to gripe, but it just bugs me when a time-travel story is so blase about the potential consequences of traipsing off to the future. Guess it's the writer in me, I just like there to be good explanations for various things. It's one of the reasons why I've never touched upon the subject in any of my novels.

That aside, I'll just try to enjoy the remainder of the story, though it'll be several days until I can get to it. Good to know you two enjoyed the last chapter.

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Old June 29 2013, 03:44 AM   #701
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Long live, Smallville: Season 11! Issue #53 came out today. It is the ninth and FINAL chapter in the Argo saga.

What did I think of it?

Well... I dug it. Really, I did. Big fuckin surprise right? But yeah, it was a damn decent conclusion to the storyline. Where do I start?

First of all I made a bigass mistake and read it on it's own. Sure I've been following it every week and I know what happened last time but...

Reading this issue cold fucks up the momentum of the story. It starts fast. Abruptly. Booster Gold on a stolen freighter teams up with the Legion and Earthgov to save the survivors of Metropolis.

Now I will say that Booster's big moment where the Legion have to admit their respect for him is a tad underwhelming. The best the Legion give him is "Maybe there's hope for him yet." which is less than he deserves. He's doing everything he can powers or not to save the innocent people from the aftermath of the bombing while the Legion is just sitting around with their thumbs up their butt. At no point is Booster's heroism made as big as it really is.

It's a bit of an emotional anticlimax and the story never gives him more than that. Disappointing but...

The emotional CLIMAX and it is a true climax is Kara and the Legion risking their life to avert Superman's sacrifice. It really does show how very much Clark means to his buddies in the Legion that they would risk it all to preserve not only Superman's place in history but their friend Clark Kent.

On Superman himself... the artwork of Superman fighting Doomsday as they twirl helplessly towards the sun is rather striking. On the emotional spectrum Clark telling Saturn Girl to give Lois his love is powerful stuff. I love the closeup of Saturn Girl's face as it crumbles, a lone tear running down her cheek. If I didn't know that this was a continuing series I probably would have cried.

The sun sequence really does show the great advantage of a superhero working in a team and the chant of "Long live the Legion!" really ended it all on a great, great high.

Besides the aforementioned Booster anticlimax there is another aspect to the climax that nags at me. For the whole of "Argo" we're seeing New Krypton and Earth at each other's throats. By the end however both sides suddenly give up the hostilities and all's well that ends well. I do realize the implication is that after the Doomsday attack on New Krypton and the gravity bombing of Metropolis both sides are sickened by the destruction and willing to put aside their differences and leave each other alone but...

It felt kinda pat. Like Miller was running out of room to tie everything up and that's how it read. It's kinda unsatisfying. In the end New Krypton is still not a part of the United Planets and Earth is still full of xenophobes. Maybe we're supposed to see that as challenge that the Legion will have to deal with on their own but it's pretty damn disappointing that we don't get much more on it than we did.

My favorite part of the story-which DID evoke a tear-is a cameo by a prepubescent almost-speedster named Bartholomew Allen. He and Superman run into each other. When Bart's identity is revealed to Superman well...

He and I had the same reaction.

At least my suspicion that this Bart-as was true of the original-originate in the future was confirmed. I can't wait to see how this pays off later on in the season.

What's left to say about this issue?

Well there is a nice little moment between cousins where Clark invites her back to the 21st Century for Chloe's baby shower. I hope she doesn't go. I'm sure that's when the Crisis is sure to hit and the last thing I want to see happen is Clark burying Kara in this reality. Better she stay in the future with her people and the Legion.

All in all Argo was a damn fine story arc but due to it's slip ups in the end run I can't say it was exceptional. I think Detective and Haunted were stronger. I will say that it did have the best cliffhanger of the series even though it was resolved-in classic Smallville fashion-weakly.

I look forward to the Wonder Woman arc with bated anticipation and can't wait to see how Bryan Q will bring her into the Smallville U. If his Diana is even half as good as his Batman then we're in for something special!

I can't wait!
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I've decided to start buying books and comics again, and I'm trying to decide if this, the first arc of All-New X-Men, or the second collection of Wonder Woman will be first new comic.
EDIT: I've decided to do one comic from each of the big two, so this will be my DC pick, and ANXM will be Marvel.
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Old June 29 2013, 10:16 PM   #703
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Good choice.
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Old June 29 2013, 10:29 PM   #704
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This first arc takes up the first 12 issue, right?
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12 issues digitally. I think maybe three in paper.
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