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Old June 21 2013, 12:17 PM   #46
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Re: Morality and the Holodeck - slightly different question

^^I wonder where you'd draw the line tho, since there would be a range of technologies in between a photo and a "solid" hologram. Like, what about just a foot-tall non-tangible holo-image (of worf teabagging riker) on a desk projector? If someone faps to that should the senior staff be notified?
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Old June 21 2013, 12:25 PM   #47
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Re: Morality and the Holodeck - slightly different question

It's only different because the technology is better.
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Old June 27 2013, 10:30 PM   #48
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IMO the only real point of difference between this and imagination is the potential for libel and/or blackmail. Say for example that I create a holodeck program where Beverly Crusher subjects me to repeated sexual harassment. I record my activities and present the recording as veridical - ie, claiming that the events it depicts really happened. Or I could happily accede to holo-Crusher's solicitations and record that to claim it really happened - or threaten to do so.

That's ethically, of course. Legally speaking, if enough people are creeped out by the idea, most likely a law will be passed. I believe, for example, that in Sweden, it is in fact illegal to create pornographic images of someone without their consent (ie, it's against the law to save someone's FB pics and shop their faces into an explicit image).
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Old June 27 2013, 10:41 PM   #49
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Re: Morality and the Holodeck - slightly different question

^ If somebody tried that, I would like to think there'd be a trail of evidence that could prove the events weren't real. It may be as simple as asking the computer if there are any records of it being done on the holodeck. And nobody's going to take anything holodeck-related on face value anyway, are they?
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Old June 27 2013, 10:44 PM   #50
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Janeway's reaction to the Doctor painting nude Seven and being Captain was understanding it's his fantasy life.

If there were ever an RL situation, though, I imagine there'd be laws against replicating people without their permission.
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Old June 28 2013, 12:00 AM   #51
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Janeway's reaction to the Doctor painting nude Seven and being Captain was understanding it's his fantasy life.
Yeah.. that one surprised me at the time. Janeway did exactly the -right- thing. She apologized for intruding upon his personal fantasies.
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Old June 28 2013, 10:10 AM   #52
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Re: Morality and the Holodeck - slightly different question

I wonder if decades ago people had similar discussions when photography replaced paintings.

If there were ever an RL situation, though, I imagine there'd be laws against replicating people without their permission.
For comercial use, yes. For non-comercial use, you should have the right to do whatever the hell you want. Should there be laws against drawing and painting people without their permission? Creating CG models of them?

Should every celebrity be notified when someone jerks off to one of their images in the Babe of the Week threads?
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Old June 28 2013, 01:05 PM   #53
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Two things that would greatly affect the ability to create whatever fantasies one wanted on the holodeck: first, there don't seem to be any fully private holodecks (even Quark's requires special arrangements to draw from station power); second, the use of medical records to create holographic images. LaForge's image of Leah Brahms, made by asking the computer to access Starfleet records, should be more problematic than if someone programmed from memory an image of a living person (which Data did in Unification).
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Old June 28 2013, 06:24 PM   #54
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Two things that would greatly affect the ability to create whatever fantasies one wanted on the holodeck: first, there don't seem to be any fully private holodecks (even Quark's requires special arrangements to draw from station power);
Jeffrey Combs' character says he has one in the episode where he wants Quark to get Kira's image.

second, the use of medical records to create holographic images. LaForge's image of Leah Brahms, made by asking the computer to access Starfleet records, should be more problematic than if someone programmed from memory an image of a living person (which Data did in Unification).
I'd imagine in that specific instance that LaForge is authorised to view those records. Use of them for that purpose, it depends - either there's a regulation or there isn't and there appears not to be. Obviously I agree that the general case of using stored data is more problematic than creation from memory.

ETA it occurs to me that it might be arguable that Data's memory is different to that of a biological lifeform and should be treated as computer memory for this and similar purposes (cf. Data's role as 'court record' during the trial in EaF).

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^ If somebody tried that, I would like to think there'd be a trail of evidence that could prove the events weren't real. It may be as simple as asking the computer if there are any records of it being done on the holodeck. And nobody's going to take anything holodeck-related on face value anyway, are they?
On an episode of TNG, it would be that simple. But this doesn't have to take place on a 'closed system' like a starship. The holodeck used to create it need not be connected to any database or suchlike that would allow tracing its creation.

The best way through is probably some [tech] feature of holo-images that makes them resistant to recording devices. And some more [tech] to explain why Geordi and Data aren't blind in the holodeck because of it.
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Old June 29 2013, 11:35 AM   #55
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Let's be honest guys, haven't we all had moments in our lives when all we had was a picture of the girl we were absolutely crazy about and drooling all over this picture was the closest we would ever get to this girl? Let he who is without sin ... and so on.
I can cast the first stone. That's never ever happened to me.

Seriously.




But then, I'm gay, which people routinely forget when they say" every man" or "all guys".
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Old June 29 2013, 12:51 PM   #56
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Hologram or not, it's still you.
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